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Control your EFFING DOGS!
#71
What you are simply wanting then are for the exisitng laws to be enforced. That is a rare occurance here.

Until those laws are enforced you will still need your stick or pepper spray and depend on yourself more than the good intentions of too many fog owners.
Assume the best and ask questions.

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#72
I have replied to this post before. It's pretty clear where I stand.

That said, let me tell you a story about my son who was attacked by a known neighborhood dog that was free to roam, and most of the time pretty laid back. He attacked my son; ripped a hole out of his right cheek, an peeled his scalp back to the rear of his head. Although it was 30 years ago, I still well up just thinking about it and all of the plastic surgeries he endured. He is permentally scarred. I insured that that dog would never do that again, and would do it again in a heartbeat!

Loose dogs that chase and attack are not worth any consideration. I had a event here with a neighbor, and fortunatly, by explaining to them exactly what I would do if my wife, with our dog on a leash, were attacked again. They were able to do the right thing and restrain their dogs. Pepper spray or a stick does not insure that it won't happen again.
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#73
Just a word of caution for those who haven't had much experience with pepper spray. Yes, it can be very effective and beneficial. However, it is very much affected by wind, which can result in it being impossible to deliver an effective spray. Even more serious is the potential for blowback onto the user. This can easily happen with even a very slight breeze and can result in the incapacitation of the user, leaving the user at the mercy of the intended target. It works much better on people than dogs. Use it with caution. This caution applies to all styles of spray, fog, foam or stream, to varying degrees.

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I have not known animal control officers to be generally effective. When called about a bad dog, they eventually drive the neighborhood once. If they don't see it, they drive on to the next call. End of story.
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I am aware of one neighborhood dog that liked killing other dogs. It was observed jumping/climbing fences to kill other fenced dogs. I don't know if there was an enclosure somewhere where it was supposed to stay. If there was, it obviously couldn't hold him. It got hold of an old gentleman's dog and broke its back. He called me knowing I had a gun and asked me to shoot his dog so it wouldn't suffer. The dog was breathing and alert but was as he described. Very sad. When animal control was called about the killer dog..... well, see my previous paragraph above. The killer dog eventually disappeared.
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.22 cal rat shot can be effective in your yard. It loses velocity and any ability to do harm very quickly. (it works great on snakes from a revolver at about 6 feet, rats too) At about 20 yards the combination of report and sting can be persuasive with dogs. I managed to teach the mean chow from down the street to stay out with no harm to the dog. This was another fenced escape artist. There is obviously the potential to strike the dog in the eye as there is no precision aiming past about 6 feet, and that would be too close of a shot when not intending to penetrate the skin. Just a side note: a hotshot works much better on bulls than .22 ratshot Smile
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Yes Rob, we have coons, fox, bobcat, coyote, gators, diamondbacks, dusky pigmy rattlers, cottonmouths, coral snakes, black widows, brown recluse, and killer bees, and plenty of dogs. Supposedly, some cougar too (no rabid chipmunks). Maybe that's why I'm a little more willing to resolve such problems with what you may consider excessive measures. I'm for using the mildest approach that works, and trying it first. On the other hand, if there is a vicious animal, I am aware of it, and I have the opportunity and ability to remedy the problem and don't, and the animal later causes harm to another, how much responsibility and or moral guilt do I shoulder.

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Pua`a
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#74
I'm capable of shooting a dog too. I require some sincere provocation though. I admit to getting concerned about the frenzy here to start shooting. The topic started off on wanting people to control thier animals.Which is good. Trying to deal with every loose animal by assuming they are killers is a bit too paranoid to for me. Ranting on it doesn't accomplish much.

Meanwhile the risks we are aware of are the ones we can be prepared for and deal with. We have laws and they are not enforced. This is a rural poor district. Same story goes on in West Virginia I'm sure.
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#75
If I had a dog attempt to attack me or is vicious on my property it’s dead.

I’ll haul the lifeless body to the shed and hack off its head, legs and tail. I’ll next skin the beast and make a nice throw out of it. The innards will be ran through a shredder and mixed with sawdust. The remaining meat will be turned into nice inch thick cubes. I’ll drill a hole through the ears on the head and attach a small length of rope with a hook on the other end. All this will go into the freezer.

Some time later, a week, a month, maybe two; the dog will find its way home at night. Yes the head will be flung to sway in the breeze from its owner’s overhead electrical lines. The legs will grace the entryway like sentinels guarding the property. The innards slurry will be flung up and down the owner’s driveway like an artist mad with rage. Of course the cubes will grace the sky over the house like snowflakes dropping to the ground. The owners will be reunited with their beloved pet. The tail, well that will be an end to the saga when on the anniversary of the dog going missing, it makes it’s way to the antenna of the owner’s vehicle while they are shopping, eating out, or otherwise enjoying their evening out.

Shoot the dog? What a mundane solution.
Poison the dogs? Too distant.
Trap and release to the pound? Girl Scouts have more ingenuity than that.

Total inhumanity and a barbarian act is called for.

So, you don’t have a shredder or freezer, make sausages and have a cookout next weekend. Heck, dog fur seat covers are the rage. Use your imagination. Remember the more brutal the better for you. Let your rage fly.

Now all this is for naught if all that happens is it stays in your mind. The letter I previously posted (although tailored for location and time) was determined to be false, but its impact was profound. The person who did that didn’t sit with his buddies debating the ethics of poisoning an animal or not. He didn’t concern himself with the rationale of such an experiment. He didn’t engage the philosophy of it’s the owner’s fault, No, it’s the dog’s fault, No it’s the government’s fault. That person acted with a seemingly innocent notice that took a community by storm and achieved the desired results.

Would I ever do that to a dog? NO. Have I known anyone who’s done that to a dog? NO,
But, where I live, people remind each other about letting dogs go loose because the guy who moved away last year didn’t do so because of a job relocation like he said, he moved because someone butchered his dog and left it’s dismembered body at his front door. The police, even though they swear it never happened, well we know they really believe that butcher resides in the neighborhood because it happened again earlier this year. See the For Sale sign a few streets over, I heard it was their dog this time.[}Smile]

By the way, how come nobody has called the Hawaii Tribune-Herald to ask why they are not covering the report of someone going around shooting loose dogs with darts laced with swine feces. What, you didn’t know about it? Well you need to get out and start reading the warning flyers posted about. And, if you can’t find any, write one yourself (a public service to the community) and make sure that special neighbor gets it.[Wink]
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#76
We had skipped this topic because.... well... dogs... blechhh! [xx(]


-posted by Miss Kitty and Mr. Happy, Seaside Bob's cats who sit on the keyboard every time no one is looking, and thinks dogs are dumb anyway, and vicious dogs are about the equivilant of people who drive big trucks with big tires on road and get 3 mpg, and shot BB's and feed antifreeze to other animals.... (BB's??)



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#77
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Originally posted by Bob Orts

By the way, how come nobody has called the Hawaii Tribune-Herald to ask why they are not covering the report of someone going around shooting loose dogs with darts laced with swine feces. What, you didn’t know about it? Well you need to get out and start reading the warning flyers posted about. And, if you can’t find any, write one yourself (a public service to the community) and make sure that special neighbor gets it.[Wink]



Come on Bob... HT would cover something like this if it were happening... but who would they interview? The person taking the pop shot or the dog?

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The more we speak up... the more they will listen.
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#78
http://www.courttv.com/trials/dogmaul/

does anyone remember this case?

malia paha o lohe aku

perhaps they will hear
"a great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."

w. james

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#79
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Originally posted by Damon
Come on Bob... HT would cover something like this if it were happening... but who would they interview? The person taking the pop shot or the dog?

Sigh..... [V]

Forget it, it's over your head. Those who understand will act.

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#80
Ha Na Bob,

i like the way you think !

Sometimes the (felt-tipped) pen is mightier.

Another vote to kill the threatening ( probably pit bull dog ) without hesitation or remorse though. Dont' like it? ... chain your ( next ) dog.... or spraying-offspring-of-unspayed/neutered cat for that matter too.
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