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I don't think the property values would increase much on the paved road vs the ones on cinder roads. It's different when the whole subdivision is paved (like Leilani Estates) and not just a few roads.
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this may seem like a stupid question. But whay aren't the roads just turned over to the county to fix, pave & maintain?
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quote:
Originally posted by Beachboy
this may seem like a stupid question. But whay aren't the roads just turned over to the county to fix, pave & maintain?
The COH is not stupid, they don't want to do anything with the private roads of Puna. Turning over all those substandard private roads would bankrupt the County.
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Yeah the county doesn't really want HPP to even exist. As I understand it, the subdivision was created without county approval so they are not obligated to provide any kind of infrastructure such as water or roads.
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May I ask, who pays back the 12M for the few roads done?
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Well, the history of HPP and the County of Hawaii is complex and goes back over 40 years. The County DID legally allow the subdivision to be created and happily collected enhanced tax revenues from it compared to what they would have collected if it had been left as it was. A lot of the politicians at the time literally did not believe that any significant number of people would ever live in it, so why worry about providing services? The lots were marketed mostly to people on the mainland under the slogan, "You can afford to own a piece of Paradise." The novelty was supposed to wear off and nobody would move in.
But lo and behold, people did indeed choose to live here. HPP and surrounding "substandard" subdivisions became the fastest growing area in the entire state. The chickens are coming home to roost, and while the County can still justify not accepting the roads into their domain, they are having a much harder time denying their obligation to provide public safety and some other niceties of civilization.
I don't expect the County to pave my road or bring me piped-in water. I would be happy just to have effective law enforcement, shopping venues, service businesses, parks, and legally authorized school locations so we wouldn't have to get on a dangerous highway and go to Hilo any time we need anything. All of these things have even been provided locations within the HPP on a number of 20-acre pieces of land, but the County can't seem to bring itself to rezone them. The Puna Community Development Plan addresses all this quite handily, so the next step is to get the Plan adopted into law and then see what happens next.
Support the Puna CDP! It's important and not just for HPP.
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Gtill, to answer your question: Everybody in HPP gets to pay back the $12 million to pave the relatively few roads by having their Association maintenance fees pledged to service the debt. The rationale was that the entire community would benifit by having better access for fire trucks and ways to get across the subdivision, especially should the highway be blocked. There were those who questioned this, but the Board voted to procede with the limited paving after admitting that their initial cost estimates were off by a huge amount.
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Originally posted by bystander
Yeah the county doesn't really want HPP to even exist. As I understand it, the subdivision was created without county approval so they are not obligated to provide any kind of infrastructure such as water or roads.
Well, the developers might have used some grease money [
] to get the development through, but HPP was approved as a subdivision.
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Approved as an ag zoned subdivision. By this classification, everyone in HPP should have a little farm on their 1 acre lots. There must have been some "deals" going on back then for sure.
