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Indeed the constitution is changeable, just not easily, and that by design. This is a document intended to be changed only after careful and serious consideration. I am not suggesting that anyone be discouraged from voting, only that they get their heads out of their A**.'s and study the issues they are voting on. Voting is a serious issue and should be approached that way, instead of the flavor of the month approach used by so many politicians, both local and national.
Nor have I mentioned gun control. If I had I would have pointed out that the Supreme Court just reaffirmed that the second ammendmend guarantee's the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms. A right the founding fathers included to protect the people from goverment excesses.
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this thread was to remind us of what our women in the United States of America went through, right to vote. Let us be reminded of the suffarage this week on its' anniversary.
I just bought the movie mentioned to really see the Facts. Only the facts. No spin, no smoke, no hidden "man behind the curtain" retoric. Anyone else see it? Hillary S****...w/tatoos...woo? I know, its a movie, yada yada,but, I think its worth while to view for perspective of "said" topic. Remember our history. Cause...it repeats itself. Will yet ya know what I thought, in a bit.
Off topic, subject to: next thread.... difference between LIBERTERINISM VS.LIBERTRIAM. I am.. Curious Lika (Mr. Wilson?)
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OK off thread. I wouldn't say I'm a libertarian, more a relatively strict constitutionlist. I am troubled by all the powers that states have ceded to the federal goverment. Our founding father never envisioned that the federal government would involve itself in so many area's that are rightfully the responsibility of local government. I firmly believe the federal government should deliver mail, fight wars and stay the hell out of the citizens life. RANT, RANT.
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I needed the reminder. Thank you for posting this! [
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Likalizard,
You have to look at terms like "liberal" and “conservative” in a relative fashion depending on the time in history and it is relative to the government.
Back in the 1700s Washington, Jefferson, Thomas Payne et al were considered liberal revolutionaries.
People that hold true to those beliefs today are considered conservative.
For they want to conserve these ideas.
The moniker Libertarian also can have more than one connotation.
One can be a left leaning libertarian or a right leaning libertarian.
I suspect many folk her are one or the other. What is most wonderful about humanity is that no two people agree on all issues.
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Those are good thoughts, esnap.
It would be worthwhile for many to read the writings of Emma Goldman, a very prominent suffragette, who argued for FULL equality for women. As such, she is mostly notable(at this point) for arguing for the abolition of marriage. What?1?
By the way, the 2nd Amendment at this point, in case you have missed it, has been just ruled by the supreme court to be a "personal" right, and the whole "militia" BS has been thrown out. It is affirmed at this point, you have a federally insured personal right, under the constitution, to personally keep and bear arms. This ruling surprised the hell out of me because it's been pro-business judges mostly that have ruled against firearm possession. You will understand why when you know the ball started rolling with the labor movement and general strikes so very long and forgotten ago.
This ruling will have ramifications for Hawaii with its currently relatively restrictive firearms regulation.
Left leaning libertarian here.
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Sorry, just saw Dick said the same thing about 2cd Amendment.
Ever see the t-shirt--"The AK-47: One Man, 30 Votes" LOL. Maybe you need to be from Idaho.
Just kidding! mostly. . .
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I support the right of voting women to bear arms but can't help but wonder what the framers of our constitution would have thought about firearms that shoot hundreds of rounds a minute. Shouldn't our laws evolve with our tecnology? I don't want to take anyone's gun away, but I'm not excited about a crazy voting woman neighbor with a machine pistol either.
edited to be more "on topic".
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The point of the second amendment is that an armed populace is the last of the "checks and balances" preventing governmental tyranny. I guess that would mean that the public must have access to the latest technology, otherwise this notion of individual sovereignty is pretty silly.
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It really is remarkable that this thread has been totally moved to a different subject: mainly gun control and constitutional 'rights.' And the ones doing that have been men.
What's up, guys?
p.s. Thomas Jefferson advised that there be a revolution every 20 years.
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