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Solar energy
#11
You could try asking Solar Works down near Southpoint. They have been selling solar stuff for years and years. Some other sources for solar stuff is InterIsland Solar on Oahu & in Kailua-Kona and Sauces & Propane in Honokaa.

A basic photovoltaic solar system usually has the big PV panels feeding into a controller which then feeds to a battery bank (if you are completely off the grid) and that feeds into an inverter which puts "regular" electricity to your house.

PV panels don't really have any moving parts and I have yet to see one of the glass fronted big ones actually wear out. The little plastic ones which run solar lights and such seem to fog over fairly quickly but they aren't in the same league at all. Most folks select their PV panels according to how many watts of electricity they produce. It is a case of the more the merrier with PV panels.

The solar controller isn't very expensive, ours was about $40 six years ago. It keeps the panels from overcharging the battery bank and I think it keeps the panels from discharging the batteries at night, too.

The batteries are deep cycle batteries and get the heaviest ones you can. More lead means they weigh more and the more lead the better. We have six volt batteries connected in series to get the voltage up to twenty four volts (that's the input voltage for the inverter) and then the batteries are wired in parallel to increase the amp hours. The batteries are connected with welding cable with fittings soldered and swaged onto the ends. It was much cheaper to manufacture our cables than to buy them. I have seen some systems where there is a solid metal bar with holes spaced so you can connect the battery terminals. Kinda like a wire without the insulation. I'd seriously hate to have anything metal fall across the two metal bars connecting all the batteries together!

The inverter is the magic box which takes battery power and makes it into house power. For that, I'd suggest looking at ones manufactured by "Outback". That company was started by the engineers from Trace (now called Xantrex) who quit en masse when the bean counters started telling them how to do things. What ever brand of inverter you get, the thing to look for is the quantity and kind of electricity it produces. A pure sine wave is best, but expensive. A modified sine wave will run most things and a stepped sine wave probably wouldn't be anything you'd want.

To back up the solar system a nice Honda generator is a good thing. It is sorta like an iron sun for power on cloudy days.

The inter-tie systems which connect to the Helco grid don't seem such a good thing from what I understand but I don't have any first hand knowledge of them. Apparently, instead of spinning the meter backwards when you produce more power than you use all it does is keep the meter from going forward so you just get credit for the power you didn't use, not any extra. So no matter how much power you produce during the day, you will still be buying grid power at night which is usually when folks use the most power. Hmm, unless you stored the extra power you used during the day in the battery bank and by the time you have those, why be connected at all? Anyway, I might have it all wrong, it isn't something I know about first hand.

Since you are starting fresh and new, you can design your whole house to be solar friendly. Orient the roof for the best panel placement, put in lots of windows for lighting, add in a place outside your house for a battery bank, etc.

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Kurt Wilson
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#12
John - Didn't Provision become independent of HELCO awhile back? I could be wrong.

As for off grid - we are totally off grid. System has been very reliable. Back during the storms of last Dec, HELCO power was lost by some of our on grid neighbors. Of course we didn't know about it at the time because everything was normal for us. We have a rather substantial system, 4.5 kw of panels (36 panels of 125 watts each). We went with the Outback system - basically all the components wire together neatly on an Outback panel that mounts our charge controllers, breakers and disconnects, inverters. We went with a 48 volt (DC) system which delivers 240 AC to the house. Our electrician wired the house as normal, we could hook up to HELCO type power with no changes to house if it were available. We have a large battery bank, 12 Rolls Surette 4 volt batteries, wired in series for 48 volt. Each battery weighs over 300 lbs. We have a diesel generator for backup.

As for theft - most anything can be stolen. Our panels are mounted on a roof, separate from house. For someone to steal the panels with minimal damage to them (useless if damaged) I wold think would be a time consuming ordeal. I would hope my neighbors would see such activity as suspicious.

David

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#13
Thank you for the great posts! The knowledge in this community never ceases to amaze me. Whether it's goats, solar, plants or construction, there always seems to be someone in the know.
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#14
Man, David, that is sooooo cool. So do you seem to have all the power you need and have you kept track of your total investment for your system?
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#15
Nancy
So far we have all we need, but then everything isn't online yet, for instance, we haven't installed Sophie's pool. As for costs, yes, I know what I've paid to date, but I still owe my installer a somewhat unknown amount. I have a basic idea what that amount should be as far as balance from the original estimate, but I also bought some extra pieces that I haven't been billed for. Part of the issue is I refuse to make final payment on the original system until it passes county inspection - still waiting on our permit.

Not an inexpensive system, but given HELCO rates and our probable use, payback probably around 12 years, maybe less given reports we've heard of friends HELCO bills.

David

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#16
Aloha,

I'm researching PV and find the array of choices for the actual modules overwhelming. Provision has Sunpower 225s while 2 other companies recommend Solarworld 175s.

Both are monocrystalline and both are claimed to be highly efficient.

Does anyone have experience with these or information to guide me? We're looking to install a grid tied system.




Noel
http://HiloParadise.com
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#17
Well, I hope the Solarworld panels are good since I will be receiving 12 of them in a week or so. Stop by in a month or so and see how our system turns out. Grid tied, 12 panels, SunnyBoy 4000 inverter.

Jerry
Art and Orchids B&B
http://www.artandorchids.com
Jerry
Art and Orchids B&B
http://www.artandorchids.com
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#18
l love my unisolars, they are shade tolerant ....

shade tolerant panels produce even if some of the cells are shaded by a branch or other objects. Its a long drawn out explanation involving diodes across the cells, A real advantage in forested areas.

reading about 6 volt trojans, & 4 volt rolls - surrete, welding cables as conductors , propane torches, cable ends and solder , whoo hoo! warms the cockles of my heart... now for a little brightwork on the lanai

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#19
Here's a link to some interesting wind generators. We may try building one next year, it looks like it could be fun: http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments.html Nice and inexpensive, too!

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Kurt Wilson
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#20
Bullwinkle, is your UniSolar set up a roll roof type(self adhesive roll on type) or rigid panels. Thanks!
Gordon J Tilley
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