Gambling in Hawaii

[Jon]

I agree you your comment "it would change the face of the islands Good or bad", but so would legalizing dope.
Both are issues of choice, both have an effect on the community for good or bad, both can feed mental/psychological/sociological disorders, both can be used to help fund government giveaways and infrastructure, both are "really" gambling.



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[Jon]

So you don't want more people to come to Hawaii? Maybe if Hilo had a Polynesian Themed Casino for them more people would visit.

You may be thinking that Hawaii tourism is a fixed number game, meaning that Hawaii always gets the maximum number of tourists possible, its not and it doesn't.

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Originally posted by Glen

This is very simple to me. People do not come to Hawaii to engage in corporate-run gambling. They come because Hawaii is unique. Corporate-run gambling will make Hawaii less unique, and therefore a less desireable place to visit and to live. Secondly, the societal costs of corporate-run gambling outweigh the very marginal financial benefits. Hawaii has it right at present.

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[Greg]

Gambling and pot are two issues, and it's not hypocritical to have a different point of view for each.

[Jon]

You can have differing points of view of them, but both are freedoms that are restricted in this state/nation. To promote one and not the other is to oppress the users of the one not promoted.





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America "IS" everybody else.
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[Greg]

I don't know..... To deprive a chemo patient of a medicine doesn't seem to be the same as depriving a gambler of a slot machine.

edit: spelling

[Jon]

So are we changing the subject? Medical use of drugs moves the issue to a new level. I was talking general use.

I believe that medical use of dope is already legal in this state is it not?



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America "IS" everybody else.
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[Dave M]

I agree you your comment "it would change the face of the islands Good or bad", but so would legalizing dope.
Both are issues of choice, both have an effect on the community for good or bad, both can feed mental/psychological/sociological disorders, both can be used to help fund government giveaways and infrastructure, both are "really" gambling.

You're probably right in that there are some similarities but when I say "it would change the face of the islands Good or bad" I mean would it still be the place we all, I assume, want to be.

When I think of "Weed Café's, I picture the Netherlands and quite frankly that fits in with the Puna I remember. I also think that there would be roadside sales like little "fresh from the garden" like the roadside wineries. Maybe at the local farmers market?

When I think of casinos I think of a large commercial land impact. Believe me the two (Casinos or legalized weed) would be like night and day in the "Changing the face of Hawaii, good or bad?". The cost of land there (E Hawaii) would make it attractive to a large scale casino.

As for being hypocritical well that's not really not open for discussions IMO because if I end up on opposite sides then there you have it.. If anything it reminds me of the straight ticket voter mentality, which I have very limited patience with.

Blessings,
dave

"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young

[Jon]

Dave, if Dope is made legal the face of Puna will change also, I believe you will see people visiting just to buy and sell dope, you will see hundreds of dope shops open up, you will see the more conservative/retired/money move away... (which seems to be what some want anyway).


Both issues have good and bad. Personally I think both would benefit Hawaii in the long run, but I am just a uneducated hick from Texas.

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[Greg]

Question from Jon: "I believe that medical use of dope is already legal in this state is it not?"

Yes it is. So is gambling.

[Jon]

Medical use of gambling is legal? LOL...

If gabling is legal then what is there to talk about as far a casinos? or a lottery?




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America "IS" everybody else.
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