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Pitbull ban in Hawaii
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01-29-2009, 09:49 AM
quote: OKay. I know this wasn't meant to be funny. But I just about spit pop laughing. I truly had no idea they were prone to dementia. Wow!
01-29-2009, 10:32 AM
I know, it is kind of funny because bassets are such door stops; in the Basset Hound Olympics they have in Eugene Oregon SLEEPING is the most hotly contested event, second is slowest 100 feet. I guess they are prone to blindness too.
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys. Polish Proverb
01-29-2009, 10:32 AM
quote: That's what I thought. It could be because they were younger dogs and were running as a pair so had a bit of that pack mentality. Pua`a S. FL Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL Big Islander to be.
01-29-2009, 10:34 AM
Bob Orts asks a legitimate question: "If the State has sufficient evidence and documentation that a particular breed or type of animal posses a threat to the environment or the people, why are people arguing such a protection?"
My take on this with application specifically to enacting a ban on pit bulls is- *unlike potential invasive species pit bulls are unlikely to altogether escape human control, damage the ecology, and take over the island, *they can be factually demonstrated on an individual basis to be loving, gentle, sweet-natured dogs (not prone to sudden onset dementia or "snapping" because of brain size vs skull size issues), *if this ban would apply to pit bulls on the basis of evidence regarding their potential threat to people then there are many other breeds which logically should also be banned, both attack dog breeds and pomeranian baby-killers, *absent some genuinely clear cut and compelling reason, the State appropriating for itself more and more control as people relinquish more and more individual choice and responsibility has seldom turned out well for liberty and quality of life in the long run, *so far the State has proven singularly inept and ineffective in enforcing what limited laws are already on the books, *there are already so many such dogs on-island it is difficult to see how such a ban could be practically implemented regardless of zeal for funding and enforcing such a ban, *if such a ban was somehow applied and every last pit bull on the island was eliminated, deserving of such termination or not, then scumbags would neglctfully &/or malignly raise up some other breed not banned to fill the vacuum (effectively demonstrating pit bulls are not the problem so much as scumbags are the problem), and finally *imho, we as a community need to take responsibility for the shared norms we embrace and promote ...and be very clear with bad apples about those we do not, as well. )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( A pleasant slideshow: http://www.thejoymovie.com )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'(
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01-29-2009, 02:46 PM
And in todays Hawaii news:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/articl...90351/1001 Damon Tucker's Weblog
01-29-2009, 02:52 PM
Hi Steven,
was out of the loop and just saw your questions. Bob has already responded, but with your original comment I didn't take that as a case of imminent danger from the animal. There is imminent danger, being attacked, and there is danger that is foreseeable yet hypothetical because it hasn't happened yet, such as Jade's situation. I meant you can't shoot a dog that's running around loose and potentially dangerous; you need to call the pound. If the dog's attacking you or your kids, that's self defense. Short of imminent danger, the laws are set up so people will go through the proper channels, and I can see why, as I can envision people getting murdered because they took it on themselves to shoot someone's dog that slipped the leash. You risk enough animosity if you get someone's dog captured. Also, the law attempts to maintain some neutrality such that the HS evaluates the situation and applies the ordinance. Vigilante action against pets would likely have people exceeding the letter of the law just because they're sick and tired of the animal. It's pretty simple, just use the legal channels and don't take it into your own hands unless attacked, and by the way any traps have to be humane and should be HS loaned traps. It's also illegal to poison problem pets.
01-30-2009, 02:52 AM
Steven, regardless if I support or oppose a ban on pitbulls, I can only reply to your last comment using the words of the great Judge Chamberlin Haller in Beechum County Ala-F*ck*n-Bama, "That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection."[^]
Now I gotta run, some yuts are pissing on my fence.[  ]
01-31-2009, 07:44 PM
There's been another pitbull attack -- it's the fourth one this week...
http://www.khon2.com/news/local/38763357.html Damon Tucker's Weblog
02-01-2009, 09:16 AM
In this 4th attack (thanks for sharing the link, Damon) it is praiseworthy the owner voluntarily had the dog put down, but conspicuous she has been around the breed her whole life, did not raise the dog to behave this way, and yet it did --in fact-- bite at a baby anyway. This supports the neutral observation regarding retrievers being bred to retrieve, ratters to rat, attack dogs to attack, and so on. The video clip from KHON is perhaps not a fair basis on which to judge the situation (there may be much more to it all than that which was shown) yet from that limited evidence it looks like the dog was chained (or static-line cabled) in a very small concrete area and the chain was too light or cable too frayed to hold the dog. Not deliberately raising a large dog to be vicious is one thing; failing to provide adequate room and exercise for a large dog and failing to insure it is adequately secured is another. The particular pathway to a maimed or dead child does not excuse the result, either way. Big, intelligent, active dogs need stimulation, activity, adequate amounts of affectionate human interaction, and enough room for exercising where they can can burn off excess energy -otherwise they quite predictably become problems. Again, the problem at root is not inherently the dogs themselves but rather the context of how the dogs are raised and kept. While not ideal (imho it is not a good idea in the first place to have a big dog without enough room for them to run around freely on the property) a big dog should at least be on an overhead cable with a trolley, rather than short-chained to a post all day long, every day. That would be enough to make any creature go crazy. ”Installing A Trolley System” at Unchain Your Dog.org http://www.unchainyourdog.org/Trolley.htm Scroll down at this site for photos, diagrams, and an apt cartoon at screen bottom. How To Build A Dog Run http://www.ehow.com/how_2073854_build-dog-run.html Pro & Con Comments on Dog Runs http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...911AAgIMRF Perhaps if there is an arguably constructive role for legislators who want to enact new layers of dog-control laws (rather than more usefully trimming and fine-tuning those laws which already exist to produce better effect), then it might be in enacting requirement of an automatic billing for police and Humane Society services whenever they are called out in response to a warranted dog nuisance report, and an additional fine assessed atop the cost of services if neglect of the animal in question is determined. If mounting fees and fines make it too expensive for owners who cannot do whatever is needed to maintain their dogs in a quality manner, such that the dogs do not become a public nuisance, then perhaps the financial disincentive will accomplish with the obtuse that which the ire and low opinion of the local neighborhood does not. Together with the privilege of enjoying dog ownership come responsibilities; a functional community holds its members accountable for fulfilling their responsibilities. BTW, for folks in suburbia, this is an interesting potential way of "drawing fire" from peeing dogs being walked by their owners away from the prize flowers or whatever and toward a designated target area: Pee Post - Pheromone Treated; other interesting dog gadgets http://www.pet-dog-cat-supply-store.com/...e-outs.php )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( A pleasant slideshow: http://www.thejoymovie.com )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'(
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