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Perhaps not THE cause, but a major role player.
I'd be curious to see a listing of contract terms, especially regarding pay and benefits, since unionization of the auto industry.
Any of our proficient researchers want to provide?
There is no single contract for GM, there are about 8 different contracts. All are very large and covers thousands of items, so you'll have to be a bit more specific. However, GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii.
What is relevant to Hawaii and it's citizens is that the State’s CBA's with the local unions are not the same as a CBA with a private entities. The CBA's have a provision that in an emergency (fiscal or otherwise) the State has the authority to modify the terms of the contract during that emergency. But it requires that certain things happen in certain order. So long as government is doing what the contract says it would do in an emergency, the unions don't have a leg to stand on. But if (like they did with the SuperFerry) the state and elected officials just start making things up, the Union is required to challenge what they are doing.
But remember, this is a legal contract that the State of Hawaii signed with the union. They knew what was in it and they agreed to legally abide by the terms of the contract. Complicating this is that the Legislature seems to be in disagreement with the Governors way of dealing with the issue. They feel that she's violating the legal requirements of the contract in some areas and they feel that she's not availing herself to the negotiation process.
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He made $58/hour in 1983,
You know he was pulling your leg, right?
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The UAW IS the main cause of GM's money issues. GM should not have made "millions", they should have been able to make "Billions" as did the smaller Japanese corporations. The Big 3 were taken hostage by the UAW and the years of caving in to ridiculous demands (and accepting substandard work) has finally come to a head.
On the other hand, the Big 3 actually produce some extremely high end, quality vehicles now. How many of you have driven any of the latest Big 3 autos? I'll bet not many of you have. You would be very impressed with the quality and the longevity has improved so drastically it is almost scary. I hope GM can come back, despite Obama's blundering and telling them what they need to produce, rather than producing what the public wants to buy.
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GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii...GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii....GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii...
I'll try to remember that if I have any more warranty issues with my 2007 GMAC and can't find a GM dealership on BI.
GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii..GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii...
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[url][/url]http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090607/NEWS03/906070390/Unions+prepare+to+fight+Hawaii+government+worker+furloughs
I don't understand the state employee unions' position on this. They want to keep all of their salary so that other union members will have to be laid off?
In other words, wouldn't it be in the unions' best interest to accept the 3 day per month furlough and keep all of their members rather than keeping all of their pay and losing a lot of members?
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Maybe it has something to do with seniority and how senior employees would rather lose people than reduce their own salaries. It's a selfish attitude to take...but when it comes down to your own families survival...you do what you have to do.
If the unions refuse the furloughs...and the governor orders layoffs...then those people that have been working for many years who have senority will still have their jobs and not have to take a wage cut and the people with fewer years would be gone to make up for it.
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A downside to layoffs (other than the obvious fact that it would increase unemployment) is the fact that the people likely to be laid off would be "grunt-level" service providers. Something tells me that those higher up on the totem pole would all keep their jobs, and no one would be demoted to provide services. Thus this has the potential to make an already top-heavy bureaucracy even more so.
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GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii...GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii....GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii...
I'll try to remember that if I have any more warranty issues with my 2007 GMAC and can't find a GM dealership on BI.
GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii..GM's contract is not relevant to Hawaii...
Yeah, it's not relevant. What does the UAW CBA have to do with Hawaii's dealership? The dealers do not employ UAW workers. The dealers are not part of the UAW-GM CBA. And, according to the Honolulu Advertiser, the Big Island GM dealers (or divisions) are not even slated to be dealers GM planed on closing. If a dealer closes, that's their business decision that had nothing to do with the UAW-GM CBA.
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Yeah, Bob, totally correct if you discount the fact the product was made by GM workers.
But one can never prevail against union sympathizers. Always amazes me that even when a business closes and the high cost of labor/benefits was the primary factor, the now unemployed union member will blame everyone and everything else for the closure. Apparently, even in the current Hawaii situation, the union wants to pretend work rules and labor/benefit costs have little to nothing to do with the high cost of government - we should all be just more willing to cough up a little more to protect them.
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David, I apologize, I'm having a hard time understanding what the UAW contract with GM has to do with you getting service on the BI from a dealer. What am I missing?
