hawaii gun control laws

[808blogger]

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It must work , because Hawaii has the lowest per capita death rate from gunshots in the US.

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Correlation or Causation? Logic like this can be very persuasive yet flawed.

[Obie]

Flawed or not, I like the fact that I am less likely to get shot to death in Hawaii.

[Bob Orts]

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Originally posted by Bullwinkle

supreme court takes up the issue of local gun control ... may have some effect on our codes

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It won't affect Hawaii laws. In Heller, the ruling was that laws can not have essentially ban private firearm ownership in a home, or have requirements that make that private gun in your home unusable for immediate use. Hawaii does not ban firearm ownership in the home and does not require them to be dismantled.

The current case in Illinois is because some States believe the ruling applied only to federal laws, not State laws. The Court is going to make that determination if it applies to local laws as well.

But the underlying framework is that if a State or political subdivision does not ban private gun ownership in the home or have regulations that otherwise makes a gun in a home unusable, it passes constitutional muster. It also allows reasonable regulations for that ownership such as licensing, registration, training, etc so long as it’s not designed to outright ban ownership.

Once you step off your private home property, the Supreme Court allows regulations up to and including a ban.

[Bullwinkle]

thanks for the insight, it caught my eye as an potential federalism vs states rights issue...

[Greg]

Thanks for the replies concerning "conceal/carry" requirements.

So is there a way to verify how many permits have actually been issued? Or who actually has one?



punatoons

[Bob Orts]

Greg,

In 2008, the Hawaii County Police received 1,979 applications for firearm ownership. 1,917 were approved and issued. 23 were approved but not issued (picked up). 36 were rejected. 5,106 total new firearms were registered in Hawaii County in 2008.

Statewide, 10,527 firearm applications were received, 9,923 approved and issued. 492 approved but not issued, 112 were rejected. 22,956 total new firearms were registered in the state for 2008

Public Carry Permits are not broken down by County and reported on a statewide basis. In 2008, statewide, 197 applications were received, 195 were approved and issued. 2 were rejected. I do not believe the names of individuals or counties of issuance are available for Public Carry Permits due to security and safety concerns for the license holder. It also keeps people guessing.

[dirk1609]

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Originally posted by Obie

Flawed or not, I like the fact that I am less likely to get shot to death in Hawaii.

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I lived in Washington state for many years with a CCW and carried every day. I never had to use it but was damn glad I had the right to carry it if needed. During my time in Washington the idea of being shot NEVER crossed my mind. The idea of my home being invaded also never crossed my mind. I rarley heard of homes being broken into. The idea of being assualted also never entered my mind.
Here in Hawaii homes are broken into constantly, in fact it a huge part of our news. People are robbed, homes are invaded etc etc. I felt much safer back in washington state. In Washington state anyone carrying with a CCW has passed a good sized FBI background check so anyone that can legaly carry a gun is a law abiding citizen. Here the bulk of the people that will carry guns are drug dealer and thiefs, the law abiding citizen cant risk the jail time and lost job due to the legal trouble they can get into for carrying a firearm for defense. So here in Hawaii the bad people have very little to fear.

Our toughest gun laws are in Washington DC and they are the murder capital of the US when it comes to firearms. Pretty much any country that has banned firearms has had a HUGE spike in criminal activity and home invasions shortly afterwards. What it comes down to is this...gun laws DO NOT prevent crime, they simply make it easier for criminals to commit their crimes by disarming law abiding citizens.

[Obie]

It is still a fact that for whatever reason, Hawaii has the lowest gun deaths in the United States.

Guns have not been banned here,they are just tightly controlled.If you want to own one you can get a permit and buy one.

[808blogger]

It is still a fact that for whatever reason, Hawaii has the lowest gun deaths in the United States.

Guns have not been banned here,they are just tightly controlled.If you want to own one you can get a permit and buy one.

I must point this out. Washington DC has BY FAR the highest gun death rate in the nation. Washington DC has/had THE STRICTEST gun control in the nation.

Laws restricting or "controlling" possession of firearms have nothing to do with the reduction in gun crimes. Could it also be argued that controlling guns causes more gun deaths? I mean look at washington DC.

See how that makes no sense.

The bottom line is we have a much lower gun death rate that the rest of the country for cultural and geographic reasons, not because of a the heavy hand of government.

[Blakeyboy1]

dirk1609 your logic is flawed and does not account for many factors including cultural and demographic data. This is a complex subject and people tend to jump to easy data to support their stance. I do not like guns and I wish no one had them but that is not necessarily a viable or realistic option. There was a case a few months back where two well meaning gun toting neighbors shot each other in a case of mistaken identity. Discussion is good but be fair. Guns are serious business and can be very dangerous.

-Blake
http://www.theboysgreatescape.blogspot.com/