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Hawaii does not prohibit gun ownership. You can own a gun (handgun or long arm) if you like. The only restrictions is (well within the US Supreme Court ruling) is reasonable licensing, training and registration. So any argument about not being able to own a gun in Hawaii is absolutely false.
The compliant really boils down to carrying a gun in public, off your property. In that regard, Hawaii does have restricted regulations. Using examples of gun ownership to argue carry regulations is like claiming Hawaii prohibits automobile ownership because they have speed limits.
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My solution to being able to protect oneself in public here is to carry a walking staff when out in isolated area's. No law against that. And wanting a sturdy staff, this one has a 1/2" brass rod running through it and a metal trip to aid in making sure it doesn't slip. I would recommend a internet search for the effective use of the quarterstaff. More that adequate for self defense against anything but a firearm at ranges beyond 5'. Inside that range it is equally as deadly as a shotgun.
For defense in more populated area, a pocket knife with a 4" blade and Spetznas knife techniques by Vadim Starof.
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Obie was talking firearm deaths in the USA. So am I. Not rape in Israel or burglaries in Switzerland. Looking at the numbers, in the USA more guns = more firearm deaths; less guns = less firearm deaths. Correlation, not necessarily causation. It would be an interesting experiment to relax gun ownership restrictions in Hawaii and see how many more firearm deaths there are. Then again, maybe not such a good idea.
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The correlation here is that both those countries have a high number of firearms in the public domain. Death by firearms in both those countries is minimal in comparison to the us. My whole point here is that those who blame firearms being available for breakdown in civility in a country are only looking to blame the mechanism, not the underlying problem of an increasingly violent populace. You can't solve the problem by placing the blame on the device. Some idiot in England was advocating banning pointed knifes because people were using them to kill and maim, those of you who continue to blame guns for social ill's steadfastly refuse to see that its people, not the device that causes problem.
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And all I am saying is I'd rather be offed in my own home in the middle of the night by a drug crazed punk than to accidentally shoot a family member, friend or neighbor. If this is my destiny then so be it.
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Dick, I'm not blaming anyone or anything. Please tell me this: if the number of firearms physically present in Hawaii rose by x%, do you think the number of firearms deaths would increase, decrease, or stay the same?
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I rather strongly guess that the number would remain basically unchanged. I don't think the overall number of firearms correlates to the number of deaths due to violent acts, there might be a slight increase of accidents due to a lack of firearms training, but not a significant number. And as for accidentally injuring a family member or friend or anyone, that goes to the issue of adequate training, not the idiocy one see's on tv, where firearms are treated as some kind of magic wand that one waves around. Just like any other dangerous mechanism, a firearm needs training to operate in a responsible manner.
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Folks, I do not think that the number of weapons is a single factor in gun deaths either accident or homicide.
I tend to think it is a complex function of the number of firearms, type of firearms, social safety net, education and job opportunities and presence of violent gangs and drug enterprises.
Hawaii is a generally more peaceful society with several degrees less desperation. I hope it stays that way.
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Originally posted by PaulW
Dick, I'm not blaming anyone or anything. Please tell me this: if the number of firearms physically present in Hawaii rose by x%, do you think the number of firearms deaths would increase, decrease, or stay the same?
The amount of firearms in Hawaii goes up every year, however the murder rate does not. Oregon seesm to have the same murder rate we do and they can get CCW for defense, in fact Oregon even allows switchblades and automatic weapons. Oregon has Machine guns and the law abiding public can carry a firearm and they have a similiar murder rate per capita as Hawaii. California's murder rate goes up every year and they have much tougher gun laws than Hawaii.
Afraid of accidently killing a loved one with a gun, therefor you dont own one. Best get rid of any meds in your house, knives, scissors, matches, cars, booze, stairs, hard surfaces, etc. I've had guns in my house for ALL of my life and amazingly nobody I love or even know has been hurt by one. Go figure. If somebody accidently kills somebdoy with a firearm that they own, then it's not the firearm that's the problem it's the brain dead idiot who fires the thing that's the problem and they'd be just as dangerous with any other possible lethal item in the house.
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