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Right of Owner Builder Plumbing/Electrical
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12-30-2009, 05:58 PM
If I read these correctly, the owner/builder has 2 years to complete, and then cannot begin building another home until 3 years have passed from the start of the first one? Does this mean that the owner/builder has to live somewhere else for that additional year?
12-30-2009, 06:34 PM
LOL... yeah thanks Carey, I know what it means.
The notion of congress to treat all citizens equally; that’s truly a laughable assumption. If that were the case, it's under the wrong article and would have been placed somewhere under article 1… congress. The second assumption would be fine but the clause mentions nothing about travel from one state to another nor about retention of those privileges/immunities therein within travel. The only thing that addresses movement in section 2 amongst states is the second paragraph and that deals with extradition and being delivered up. This is under article 4; the states. Not Congress. As per its meaning according to the Supreme Court as limitedly cited through Wiki, it would be applicable visa vas also and it well demonstrates how all rights would also be considered equally honored and practiced amongst the several states. Rights are inherently greater than the subordinate appropriated privileges and immunities… E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
12-30-2009, 07:05 PM
Mdd7000,
No, thank god, it doesn't state that. It states that they want to change the time you are allowed to sell the house after it has been issued a final/occupancy permit from 1 year to 2 years. This means you finish your house and will not be allowed to sell it for 2 years or you will be in violation of the owner builder guidelines and can be fined for selling it too soon. It also changes the number of owner builder permits you can receive/apply for. Instead of one every 2 years, it would be changed to one every three years. This means you could build no more than one owner built houses once every 3 years. Although, unless there is another portion, it also tends to make one think you would have to wait 3 years to apply for a permit to build a storage shed on the same site which would be wrongly applied IMO. The time in which you have to build is still indefinite as far as I know as long as you do not abandon the work for more than one year or more. E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
12-31-2009, 03:58 AM
O.K. So enough preaching to the choir. Anyone have the ability and the grounds to actually challange this in court?
12-31-2009, 06:39 AM
Bob,
Regardless of grounds, if you can win this one, you will be right up there on my hero list with Ms. Dolan. Dan
12-31-2009, 07:09 AM
Yeah... I'll be taking it to court personally and address several counts of takings.
E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
12-31-2009, 04:02 PM
In my thinking, this is a fair trade issue. If an individual can build a product and sell it, that is free trade; he shouldn't need any special license to do that or pay a fine for doing it.
In california, where I hold a G.C. license, An individual, as an OB, can design and build a home (ALL ASPECTS)and sell it with no license required. NONE. Fair Trade. Open Market.
12-31-2009, 06:17 PM
California is similar to Washington, Oregon and like most States...
The only requirements are that the OB get a Structural Engineering stamp and signature (common) and in California they cannot drill their own wells. Here in Washington we can drill our own wells but not do the septic system. IMO the collective between the two State are both warranted stipulations. Anything beyond these matters is overstepping a States powers. If we were talking the 1800's all of it would be overstepping the States power but as our society grows and the populace density increases we have to put some protections in place, the question is; to what magnitude are these safety measures warranted? E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
03-29-2010, 02:38 PM
quote: Who's side are you on? I think you can do more damage with a framing nailer then you can with a stick of PVC and a can of glue. You can fall off your own house, frame it, roof it, side it, put the windows and doors in, put the floors, counter tops, cabinets and screw all that stuff up but you can't plumb your own house? Pffffft!!!! Oh well... I guess we are just lucky Hawaii lets us do some of the work like paint and install the catchment and gutters!  |
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