02-26-2010, 04:32 AM
yes i am "american". I am not brainwashed.
This is irrelevant and just speculation: "Was there blood? I think it's arguable that if US did not accept Hawaii, Hawaii would have suffered a worse fate."
Duress and threat were involved, just because nobody got shot, does not mean violence was not used.
On a factual basis this land was stolen. if any other nation came and did the same thing to "america" as was done to hawaii, "americans" would all claim a stolen nation.
The debate is not what hawaii's future if it was never stolen would be. the facts remain, this place was technically stolen, under duress and threat. I dont know what kind of contracts you like to stand behind but, in my world and understanding papers and contracts signed under threat are NOT VALID.
I am not defending hawaiians or what they feel there "destiny" is or should be. just pointing out the facts in this case.
do you feel threatened by people that want their land back? or control over there own futures outside of the hands of (to them) foreign laws?
people should drop the america is different attitude and look at what really was done.
This is irrelevant and just speculation: "Was there blood? I think it's arguable that if US did not accept Hawaii, Hawaii would have suffered a worse fate."
Duress and threat were involved, just because nobody got shot, does not mean violence was not used.
On a factual basis this land was stolen. if any other nation came and did the same thing to "america" as was done to hawaii, "americans" would all claim a stolen nation.
The debate is not what hawaii's future if it was never stolen would be. the facts remain, this place was technically stolen, under duress and threat. I dont know what kind of contracts you like to stand behind but, in my world and understanding papers and contracts signed under threat are NOT VALID.
I am not defending hawaiians or what they feel there "destiny" is or should be. just pointing out the facts in this case.
do you feel threatened by people that want their land back? or control over there own futures outside of the hands of (to them) foreign laws?
people should drop the america is different attitude and look at what really was done.