07-09-2010, 02:54 PM
Robguz, csgray
Relax people, look again at my two posts.
I never said "I don't think homosexuals should have equal rights" or that "I am telling them how to run their lives". I have not "argued against equal rights for homosexuals" in any way.
csgray I never said "if you don't have children a marriage is not valid" And comparing me to a nazi for asking a question.....are you serious?
I simply don't have the same belief in homosexuality as you. Can you handle that? You are of course entitled to your own beliefs, I can handle that and respect them.
Like Rob, I also am married (once) and intend to stay that way. I never knew there were over 1,138 (that's a strange number) federal civil rights granted to heterosexual couples. I will look closer at that list to see what I have been missing all these years, and gay's have been denied.
Question: Shouldnt then, these over 1,138 civil rights in question be given at BIRTH to EVERY american individual without regard to civil unions, marriages or any other type of union? To not do so, by your logic, would discriminate against any other union that is not 1 man and 1 woman or in your view any 2 adult humans.
What about the right to marry for, lets say, 3 or more? Everyone seems to side step that question.
Again I am only expressing MY feelings on why I think homosexuality is unnatural, I'm not interested in changing yours. Obviously csgray natural selection does exist, or there would be no ongoing evolution of any species.
Robguz you said "through about 95% of our species history no children were born to married couples because there was no such thing as marriage". But you can't deny that 100% of the children born during that span, in fact every person ever born on this planet was produced by 1 man and 1 woman. Why is that robguz?
csgray you said "some societys children are barley raised by the biological mother and father",.... but 100% of them were conceived, naturally, by a mother and father.
One thing seems certain....... if it were not for the natural union of man and woman (not 2 men or 2 women) there would be no human race. Do you agree?
That is why, robguz, that matters to me and feels right and natural.
One last question that may or may not cut straight to the heart of this issue: Do you think the real issue with homosexuals is about civil rights and benefits or is it actually about the absolute acceptance by society that they think the word marriage may bring to their beliefs?
Is the real underlying issue acceptance?
Our communication is key to understanding and living with each others different views and opinions. There will always be differing views. I understand and can live with yours, can you live with mine?
Mahalo.
Relax people, look again at my two posts.
I never said "I don't think homosexuals should have equal rights" or that "I am telling them how to run their lives". I have not "argued against equal rights for homosexuals" in any way.
csgray I never said "if you don't have children a marriage is not valid" And comparing me to a nazi for asking a question.....are you serious?
I simply don't have the same belief in homosexuality as you. Can you handle that? You are of course entitled to your own beliefs, I can handle that and respect them.
Like Rob, I also am married (once) and intend to stay that way. I never knew there were over 1,138 (that's a strange number) federal civil rights granted to heterosexual couples. I will look closer at that list to see what I have been missing all these years, and gay's have been denied.
Question: Shouldnt then, these over 1,138 civil rights in question be given at BIRTH to EVERY american individual without regard to civil unions, marriages or any other type of union? To not do so, by your logic, would discriminate against any other union that is not 1 man and 1 woman or in your view any 2 adult humans.
What about the right to marry for, lets say, 3 or more? Everyone seems to side step that question.
Again I am only expressing MY feelings on why I think homosexuality is unnatural, I'm not interested in changing yours. Obviously csgray natural selection does exist, or there would be no ongoing evolution of any species.
Robguz you said "through about 95% of our species history no children were born to married couples because there was no such thing as marriage". But you can't deny that 100% of the children born during that span, in fact every person ever born on this planet was produced by 1 man and 1 woman. Why is that robguz?
csgray you said "some societys children are barley raised by the biological mother and father",.... but 100% of them were conceived, naturally, by a mother and father.
One thing seems certain....... if it were not for the natural union of man and woman (not 2 men or 2 women) there would be no human race. Do you agree?
That is why, robguz, that matters to me and feels right and natural.
One last question that may or may not cut straight to the heart of this issue: Do you think the real issue with homosexuals is about civil rights and benefits or is it actually about the absolute acceptance by society that they think the word marriage may bring to their beliefs?
Is the real underlying issue acceptance?
Our communication is key to understanding and living with each others different views and opinions. There will always be differing views. I understand and can live with yours, can you live with mine?
Mahalo.