10-27-2011, 01:40 AM
@Greg, this was the suggestion by some: Spike strips! Of course, they demonstrated a jocular disposition when saying it. Another suggested inviting the local gendarme to sit on the side streets to make their end of the month quota especially since the law was passed a couple of years back to allow law enforcement authority to issue routine traffic citations on private roads.
There is an area of California you might be familiar with that disallows the approval and use of speed bumps? Liability laden. Personally, I don't care if someone wants to put the danged things on their street so long as I don't drive on that particular street, and I don't. I do care if it is somewhere I must drive because I enjoy positive forward movement. I enter the Puainako Shopping area where the least interference to me is encumbered by speed bumps. The same thing with Prince Kuhio. There are precious few at the Walmart parking lot and still people manage to behave and drive reasonably. The same with the new Safeway/Target area. I think the 'masses' generally operate their vehicles with respect for themselves and others and the few who do not, the old 80-20 ratio, find a way around the devices designed to stop them from speeding. As an old former police officer once opined regarding locks: "Locks do nothing to keep a thief intent on breaking and entering or stealing from realizing his/her intent." The speed bumps concept is the same. It is a sort of salve for those who want them but the people whose intent is to speed find their way around them. Down in that area of the community it took like 5 minutes for the folks on Kuna and Puna Coastal to see how the speeders figured out the work around. Just saying...
Glad they work well for your street. Hope I never see them on ours.
In answer to your question? I have always bought chosen to live somewhere safe for my outside pets. I learned that lesson the hard way by living on a very busy 4 lane street for far too many years. It was never speed but volume for us. Since then we have always looked at the traffic and its impact on our personal lives as part and parcel to the choice in residence. If after you do your due diligence and things beyond your control changes the dynamic I would understand the frustration of being constrained from indulgence of some of the more basic instincts to protect that society enforces. I understand one of the arguments in HPP AGAINST paving for some residence is this very thing. It will provide speed a chance to thrive. I lived on 27th in HPP and I can tell you I never saw anyone ripping down that red dirt road! I have discussed with my spouse selling and moving to somewhere like Eden Rock where there are historically NO plans to develop a community association nor to improve their horrible roads. One has to truly creep along on some of those roads in the back! Three acres is a lot of privacy. And, self constraint? Not so much.
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There is an area of California you might be familiar with that disallows the approval and use of speed bumps? Liability laden. Personally, I don't care if someone wants to put the danged things on their street so long as I don't drive on that particular street, and I don't. I do care if it is somewhere I must drive because I enjoy positive forward movement. I enter the Puainako Shopping area where the least interference to me is encumbered by speed bumps. The same thing with Prince Kuhio. There are precious few at the Walmart parking lot and still people manage to behave and drive reasonably. The same with the new Safeway/Target area. I think the 'masses' generally operate their vehicles with respect for themselves and others and the few who do not, the old 80-20 ratio, find a way around the devices designed to stop them from speeding. As an old former police officer once opined regarding locks: "Locks do nothing to keep a thief intent on breaking and entering or stealing from realizing his/her intent." The speed bumps concept is the same. It is a sort of salve for those who want them but the people whose intent is to speed find their way around them. Down in that area of the community it took like 5 minutes for the folks on Kuna and Puna Coastal to see how the speeders figured out the work around. Just saying...
Glad they work well for your street. Hope I never see them on ours.
In answer to your question? I have always bought chosen to live somewhere safe for my outside pets. I learned that lesson the hard way by living on a very busy 4 lane street for far too many years. It was never speed but volume for us. Since then we have always looked at the traffic and its impact on our personal lives as part and parcel to the choice in residence. If after you do your due diligence and things beyond your control changes the dynamic I would understand the frustration of being constrained from indulgence of some of the more basic instincts to protect that society enforces. I understand one of the arguments in HPP AGAINST paving for some residence is this very thing. It will provide speed a chance to thrive. I lived on 27th in HPP and I can tell you I never saw anyone ripping down that red dirt road! I have discussed with my spouse selling and moving to somewhere like Eden Rock where there are historically NO plans to develop a community association nor to improve their horrible roads. One has to truly creep along on some of those roads in the back! Three acres is a lot of privacy. And, self constraint? Not so much.
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