11-03-2011, 05:14 AM
@afwjam -- AMEN! I have been saying this for years here and on many different forums. The county we moved here from stopped permitting the use of speed bumps due to increased liability and because at the time they were recipients of federal tax dollars and apparently there was some analysis done to give the feds some sense of caution and pause with regards the use of speed bumps. Don't know if after all of this time and change of culture if it is still that way.
At the August or September meeting one of my neighbors stood up and asked if anyone had discussed the installation with first responders. After a quick discussion between the Board members they included that prerequisite as essential to their forward going plans. The report back the next month when they decided to go ahead and install was that the first responders merely requested notification of the installation. I would imagine the police if there is an emergency will traverse Puna Coastal and Kuna to head into Waa Waa. I would think the ambulance would do that as well. I don't know if the fire rigs can negotiate that sort of hard right turn from Kuna on to Old Govt Road. They may have to go bump in the night x3.
To be fair, they have to negotiate far less optimal driving conditions on many of the subdivision roads which are not paved and not maintained. As I said before, listening to the dispatchers and the responders discussing how to arrive at a scene is replete with the nightmarish conditions they encounter. That having been said, should someone deliberately put down obstacles in their path? Many municipalities a few years back said NEGATIVE.
@Candyman, though it has been the practice for years to allow members to go and check out DVD's for personal viewing from the business office allegedly there is a new policy that states NO CAN any longer. I have not personally tested the waters to verify this. Time will tell.
On the reversing the speed humps issue, just my humble opinion, Membership does have limitations. I think the only way in which one might be able to test this is to find out from a legal perspective if the Board of Directors, under the auspices of management and maintenance, can allow someone to build an obstruction on community property such as speed humps which directly benefits the immediate resident/s but not the community. And to make this HSCA centric, NO OFFENSE to the community who uses that road, this is a private street owned by the community. I suspect there could be a case made for the long term unobstructed use of it as a through way for Waa Waa residents in the larger view and as such Waa Waa residents may have a case for something extreme like Adverse Possession. Perhaps a quick trip to the County Engineering Division to see if that is the place to start -- could give someone direction. It would be something someone could do research into and decide if there was a case. But until that is litigated it is a private road and belongs to Hawaiian Shores Community Association. The folks who own that road are the ones who must determine the best course of action. Myself, I am not personally affected by the installation but understand the issues and am willing to listen to a discussion at any meeting, infrastructure or Board. Infrastructure meetings have been cancelled until the first of the year but with the caveat if something comes up they will call a meeting. The chair of that committee is the VP. To me, that would be a logical place to start. As I said, initially, during the discussion of the motion to allow installation he began to regret his part in approving the speed humps.
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At the August or September meeting one of my neighbors stood up and asked if anyone had discussed the installation with first responders. After a quick discussion between the Board members they included that prerequisite as essential to their forward going plans. The report back the next month when they decided to go ahead and install was that the first responders merely requested notification of the installation. I would imagine the police if there is an emergency will traverse Puna Coastal and Kuna to head into Waa Waa. I would think the ambulance would do that as well. I don't know if the fire rigs can negotiate that sort of hard right turn from Kuna on to Old Govt Road. They may have to go bump in the night x3.
To be fair, they have to negotiate far less optimal driving conditions on many of the subdivision roads which are not paved and not maintained. As I said before, listening to the dispatchers and the responders discussing how to arrive at a scene is replete with the nightmarish conditions they encounter. That having been said, should someone deliberately put down obstacles in their path? Many municipalities a few years back said NEGATIVE.
@Candyman, though it has been the practice for years to allow members to go and check out DVD's for personal viewing from the business office allegedly there is a new policy that states NO CAN any longer. I have not personally tested the waters to verify this. Time will tell.
On the reversing the speed humps issue, just my humble opinion, Membership does have limitations. I think the only way in which one might be able to test this is to find out from a legal perspective if the Board of Directors, under the auspices of management and maintenance, can allow someone to build an obstruction on community property such as speed humps which directly benefits the immediate resident/s but not the community. And to make this HSCA centric, NO OFFENSE to the community who uses that road, this is a private street owned by the community. I suspect there could be a case made for the long term unobstructed use of it as a through way for Waa Waa residents in the larger view and as such Waa Waa residents may have a case for something extreme like Adverse Possession. Perhaps a quick trip to the County Engineering Division to see if that is the place to start -- could give someone direction. It would be something someone could do research into and decide if there was a case. But until that is litigated it is a private road and belongs to Hawaiian Shores Community Association. The folks who own that road are the ones who must determine the best course of action. Myself, I am not personally affected by the installation but understand the issues and am willing to listen to a discussion at any meeting, infrastructure or Board. Infrastructure meetings have been cancelled until the first of the year but with the caveat if something comes up they will call a meeting. The chair of that committee is the VP. To me, that would be a logical place to start. As I said, initially, during the discussion of the motion to allow installation he began to regret his part in approving the speed humps.
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