01-11-2012, 05:20 PM
I live in an older part of Keaau, & most of my neighbors have worked, at least some part of their life, for Shipman LTD or one of their leasee's...
From what I gather from my neighbors, it has NEVER been OK to use the Shipman property without permission (lashings have been mentioned by some, by both the foremen & their (the neighbors as kids) folks of ol' yore -ETA these are folks that are now waaaayyy older than I am-)... I do know that permission is granted & I have done field work on their property through UH-H, and I gather, even from that, that it is not OK to go on their property without permission....
Think about it.... they have the liability of their employees, & the people who have requested permission to use their land, & the ranch animals, & their leasees rights, and their own ag interests....why on earth would they want the liability of anyone else on their property???
Esp. when you look at how some people have dumped garbage, cars. whiteware, etc. all about their property, and leave messes without cleaning up.... I think that they have made statements in the past & even have given visual clues (like the big boulders) that they do not want any & everyone traipsing about their property...
If you do use their property without their permission, then do not say it is OK to others, and try to leave it better, or at least the same, as when you entered.... that is the same you would expect of others to treat your property...
From what I gather from my neighbors, it has NEVER been OK to use the Shipman property without permission (lashings have been mentioned by some, by both the foremen & their (the neighbors as kids) folks of ol' yore -ETA these are folks that are now waaaayyy older than I am-)... I do know that permission is granted & I have done field work on their property through UH-H, and I gather, even from that, that it is not OK to go on their property without permission....
Think about it.... they have the liability of their employees, & the people who have requested permission to use their land, & the ranch animals, & their leasees rights, and their own ag interests....why on earth would they want the liability of anyone else on their property???
Esp. when you look at how some people have dumped garbage, cars. whiteware, etc. all about their property, and leave messes without cleaning up.... I think that they have made statements in the past & even have given visual clues (like the big boulders) that they do not want any & everyone traipsing about their property...
If you do use their property without their permission, then do not say it is OK to others, and try to leave it better, or at least the same, as when you entered.... that is the same you would expect of others to treat your property...