04-19-2012, 08:05 PM
Bob, I'd really like to have an intellectually honest conversation with you. I really do.
Asking to define something is a standard tactic to distract from the main point of a debate.
I'm happy to limit the definition to people directly affected by the noise and traffic at SPACE. And while we're asking for definitions:
What is meant by "zoned Ag?"
How is it possible that an entire neighborhood is under the illusion that they live in residential lots?
And this may be the heart of the matter. Some people want a residential, quiet, gated community. One where everyone gets in their car and drives away for everything: that sterile mind-numbing hell that is suburbia. And they delude themselves into thinking they found it in Seaview! No kids riding ATVs in the street, no dogs crapping in my lawn, no horses especially, and No Noise.
Other people don't want that. I'm one! I want an interactive, walk-to-the-local-market, help-my-neighbors-no-matter-what, forgive my neighbor his trespasses as he forgives me of mine, that's the neighborhood/community I want to live in.
Are you aware lower Puna has a serious youth drug problem? That just today a local school had a kid OD right into the hospital? Are you aware of the work Graham and the community have put into a serious alternative future for these kids?
Are you aware Seaview is in a "food desert?" An area that's more than 10 miles away from a supermarket, coupled with high poverty? Are you aware of the work Graham, Jenna, the vendors, and others went through to get EBT at this farmer's market? How can someone agitate to close down the farmer's market at SPACE, and look themselves in the mirror?
There are a couple of people who think SPACE are plain bad neighbors. You're right! Well, I think NIMBY CAVEs (Citizens Against Virtually Everything) are plain bad neighbors.
Asking to define something is a standard tactic to distract from the main point of a debate.
quote:Well, we can look it up on the Internet: 1) a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government...
"What is meant by community?"
I'm happy to limit the definition to people directly affected by the noise and traffic at SPACE. And while we're asking for definitions:
What is meant by "zoned Ag?"
How is it possible that an entire neighborhood is under the illusion that they live in residential lots?
And this may be the heart of the matter. Some people want a residential, quiet, gated community. One where everyone gets in their car and drives away for everything: that sterile mind-numbing hell that is suburbia. And they delude themselves into thinking they found it in Seaview! No kids riding ATVs in the street, no dogs crapping in my lawn, no horses especially, and No Noise.
Other people don't want that. I'm one! I want an interactive, walk-to-the-local-market, help-my-neighbors-no-matter-what, forgive my neighbor his trespasses as he forgives me of mine, that's the neighborhood/community I want to live in.
Are you aware lower Puna has a serious youth drug problem? That just today a local school had a kid OD right into the hospital? Are you aware of the work Graham and the community have put into a serious alternative future for these kids?
Are you aware Seaview is in a "food desert?" An area that's more than 10 miles away from a supermarket, coupled with high poverty? Are you aware of the work Graham, Jenna, the vendors, and others went through to get EBT at this farmer's market? How can someone agitate to close down the farmer's market at SPACE, and look themselves in the mirror?
There are a couple of people who think SPACE are plain bad neighbors. You're right! Well, I think NIMBY CAVEs (Citizens Against Virtually Everything) are plain bad neighbors.