11-10-2012, 05:46 AM
RainyJim,
You responses make it sound more & more like you have never been in the wild (esp in the gulches) on island, and even not live here, maybe never even been here. You also do not understand the concept of maintaining & preserving biodiversity - a concept that is ingrained in some & way over the heads of others.... it is a concept like wind-row planting, terrain plowing, climate change that sounds silly to some, until their house & livelihood are gone, then they wonder why no one did anything about it....If you do live here, have ventured around the gulches, then yes, you are nagging, as your "what exactly is the issue" sounds more whiny responsible... the issue is that the state had determined that deer were not to be brought here & your friends, friends, friend Mr Hauptman FLY THEM HERE. You are trying to sound more informed than the state forestry personnel, but end up with the constant "why not" of a child. Many of your questions have been answered on this thread & you keep asking the same question... if you are so busy, why not leave the ecosystem to those who have the expertise?
Bullwinkle - as for the hunter tying up a female deer, only works during estrus & only on the males, meanwhile they keep BREEDING
Please, if you are on island, spend some of your time with the ones who have tried to re-establish the forest.
To give you a very rough & quick overview on the deer & gulch:
Our whole watershed is dependent on our mauka forests and our gulch systems. That is why Pinchot worked to establish the plantation Forestry divisions. Deer like to eat seedlings & low branches, as do most of the ungulates.
To protect & reestablish the native ecosystem, ungulate exclusion fences are protecting some of the remaining native forest, but the fences on this island were not designed to exclude an animal like the deer Raising miles of fence by one or two feet is a lot of taxpayer money, money that was deemed to be spent elsewhere, as the state had determined that DEER WERE NOT TO BE BROUGHT HERE
Thanks to your friend of a friend of a friend, they flew here!! ( if you do not understand the importance of forests for watersheds... well...I am positive you can do the research, there are volumes on just this island....)
The problem is that there is a very delicate balance in our ecosystem here.... IF the deer do "have the gulches" our watershed ecosystem could be totally thrown off - if you have been to an area where ungulates have taken over, you know what grows there, short grasses & unpalatable shrubs like gorse, with a few very old & damaged trees.
This type of landscape will increase erosion of the gulches, increasing ocean run-off, increasing water turbidity, Decreasing DO, decreasing corals.... some of this has happened in Maui, more in Molokai.... both of those islands have more weathered landscapes than here and have more resilience.
You responses make it sound more & more like you have never been in the wild (esp in the gulches) on island, and even not live here, maybe never even been here. You also do not understand the concept of maintaining & preserving biodiversity - a concept that is ingrained in some & way over the heads of others.... it is a concept like wind-row planting, terrain plowing, climate change that sounds silly to some, until their house & livelihood are gone, then they wonder why no one did anything about it....If you do live here, have ventured around the gulches, then yes, you are nagging, as your "what exactly is the issue" sounds more whiny responsible... the issue is that the state had determined that deer were not to be brought here & your friends, friends, friend Mr Hauptman FLY THEM HERE. You are trying to sound more informed than the state forestry personnel, but end up with the constant "why not" of a child. Many of your questions have been answered on this thread & you keep asking the same question... if you are so busy, why not leave the ecosystem to those who have the expertise?
Bullwinkle - as for the hunter tying up a female deer, only works during estrus & only on the males, meanwhile they keep BREEDING
Please, if you are on island, spend some of your time with the ones who have tried to re-establish the forest.
To give you a very rough & quick overview on the deer & gulch:
Our whole watershed is dependent on our mauka forests and our gulch systems. That is why Pinchot worked to establish the plantation Forestry divisions. Deer like to eat seedlings & low branches, as do most of the ungulates.
To protect & reestablish the native ecosystem, ungulate exclusion fences are protecting some of the remaining native forest, but the fences on this island were not designed to exclude an animal like the deer Raising miles of fence by one or two feet is a lot of taxpayer money, money that was deemed to be spent elsewhere, as the state had determined that DEER WERE NOT TO BE BROUGHT HERE
Thanks to your friend of a friend of a friend, they flew here!! ( if you do not understand the importance of forests for watersheds... well...I am positive you can do the research, there are volumes on just this island....)
The problem is that there is a very delicate balance in our ecosystem here.... IF the deer do "have the gulches" our watershed ecosystem could be totally thrown off - if you have been to an area where ungulates have taken over, you know what grows there, short grasses & unpalatable shrubs like gorse, with a few very old & damaged trees.
This type of landscape will increase erosion of the gulches, increasing ocean run-off, increasing water turbidity, Decreasing DO, decreasing corals.... some of this has happened in Maui, more in Molokai.... both of those islands have more weathered landscapes than here and have more resilience.