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If you have a dog
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Yes, all members have an interest in the roads, much in the way that I own, say, one share of Apple stock. Certain rights come along with that, including the right to vote on what the company should do or in the case of a road or other assocation-owned property, the right to use the road. But the company and/or the association is usually regarded as a completely separate legal entity. When you leave your driveway, you are stepping out NOT onto a road privately owned by you, but onto a road privately owned by your association, in which you have an interest.

You literally do not own the road. The Association does. That's why it is the Association that is on the hook for millions for road maintenance in HPP. And then you pay a fee to the Association, with a check made out to that association.

Not sure how it works in Orchidland. But it is common for the members of an association to be said to own a "fractional" share in a community asset, let's say a playground. That entitles you to use it. But usually ownership is maintained IN THE ASSOCIATION. When I stop being lazy, I will review my docs, but that is generally how it works.

HPP roads are nominally (that is, in name only) private as against the rest of the world. But I do not own these roads. And neither do my neighbors. The association does. Private road does not mean you can do whatever the hell you want regardless of County Regs in that road. It is not YOUR private road. It is, at best, OUR private road, owned by the entity of which we are a part.

Of course, in Hawaii, property rights are very confusing because of what I call a tribal overlay. That's another topic.
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If you have a dog - by tada - 04-08-2012, 03:47 PM
RE: If you have a dog - by Chuysmom - 04-09-2012, 02:12 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by tada - 04-09-2012, 05:11 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by Morningstar - 04-09-2012, 05:14 AM
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RE: If you have a dog - by Rob Tucker - 04-09-2012, 12:43 PM
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RE: If you have a dog - by 808blogger - 04-10-2012, 04:36 PM
RE: If you have a dog - by missydog1 - 04-10-2012, 04:54 PM
RE: If you have a dog - by TomK - 04-10-2012, 06:58 PM
RE: If you have a dog - by missydog1 - 04-10-2012, 07:35 PM
RE: If you have a dog - by coppercoin40 - 04-11-2012, 01:09 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by janeadams - 04-11-2012, 03:20 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by Bullwinkle - 04-11-2012, 04:19 AM
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RE: If you have a dog - by Midnight Rambler - 04-11-2012, 04:42 PM
RE: If you have a dog - by David M - 04-11-2012, 06:17 PM
RE: If you have a dog - by Whitey - 04-13-2012, 05:11 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by Bullwinkle - 04-13-2012, 06:04 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by missydog1 - 04-13-2012, 07:31 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by Bullwinkle - 04-13-2012, 07:46 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by jackson - 04-13-2012, 07:50 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by Jay Bondesen - 04-13-2012, 08:20 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by tada - 04-13-2012, 09:50 AM
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RE: If you have a dog - by Bullwinkle - 04-22-2012, 01:50 AM
RE: If you have a dog - by csgray - 04-22-2012, 03:05 AM
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RE: If you have a dog - by Bullwinkle - 04-24-2012, 03:34 AM
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RE: If you have a dog - by TomK - 04-24-2012, 02:00 PM
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RE: If you have a dog - by TomK - 04-02-2013, 07:05 PM
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