11-18-2013, 04:40 PM
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Russell said.
Richard Ha says.geothermal prices will stay the same for 500,000 years. Of course, statistically speaking all the geothermal areas will be covered by lava in much less time. But, Richard assures us that won't affect prices. This must be the research style that Rob admires.
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Sen Ruderman. The GeothermEx 2005 report estimates that it would cost 8.9 cents per kilowatt hour for geothermal generated electricity.
That was the estimated cost to develop geothermal from scratch.
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Russell said.
I do understand why GMO proponents like Richard Ha. It's the same reason Tea Partiers love SarahnPalin; They spout the slogans they want to hear, undeterred by logic or reality.
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Sen Ruderman. I was the only person from Hawaii to attend five association for the Study of Peak Oil (ASPO) conferences. I went to those conferences to figure out how to position my business to be relevant for the future. I was not there to fool myself. I met a lot of people and paid close attention to energy matters. I don't spout slogans for its own sake.
I've said, that geothermal generated electricity is half that of oil (21 cents per kilowatt hour). And, it will stay stable for 500,000 years. I've been to Iceland and the Phillipines to see geothermal plants in operation. I was co chair of the geothermal working group that was commissioned by commiissioned by the state legislature. i sit on the Hawaii Clean Energy Steering committee. Yet, none of this is rocket science. Its all about adding and subtracting because one needs more coming in than going out. Or, one needs to quit what one is doing. All that is necessary is a bit of common sense.
I've also said, it isn't the strongest or the smartest that survive, its the one that can adapt. That was the essence of Darwins work. He was 22 years old when he spent five years going around the world on the HMS Beagle. He sent back about 1,800 samples. Although. He published his book The Origin of Species 30 years later, his ideas and concepts were pretty much fully formed from early on. Your saying, it was only about " natural selection" is missing the point.
A year ago, I brought professor Charles A S Hall to Hawaii to give a series of lecturers. He is an internationally renowned systems ecologist. He is best known as the father of the term Energy Return on Investment (EROI). In the 1930's, it took the energy in one barrel of oil to get a hundred barrels. By the 1970's, that had become 30 to 1. Now, it is around 10-1. The lower it goes the more expensive it is. It is estimated that we need a return if 12-1 to maintain a society as we have become accustomed. Biofuels is barely break even.
I also use the term rubbah slippah folks. It parallels the 99% to 1% term that is commonly used. Most folks can find themselves in the rubbah slippah category. To me it is easier to understand than 99% to 1%. As it relates to the Big Island. we have the lowest median family income in the state.
But, we can do something about it by lowering the cost of living. Our best prospects are in geothermal and biotech. But, you are against both.
I just don't think that you get it. I keep asking what about the rubbah slippah folks? You seem to be out trying to save the world. But, you have no solution for the rubbah slippah folks.
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Russell said.
Richard Ha says.geothermal prices will stay the same for 500,000 years. Of course, statistically speaking all the geothermal areas will be covered by lava in much less time. But, Richard assures us that won't affect prices. This must be the research style that Rob admires.
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Sen Ruderman. The GeothermEx 2005 report estimates that it would cost 8.9 cents per kilowatt hour for geothermal generated electricity.
That was the estimated cost to develop geothermal from scratch.
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Russell said.
I do understand why GMO proponents like Richard Ha. It's the same reason Tea Partiers love SarahnPalin; They spout the slogans they want to hear, undeterred by logic or reality.
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Sen Ruderman. I was the only person from Hawaii to attend five association for the Study of Peak Oil (ASPO) conferences. I went to those conferences to figure out how to position my business to be relevant for the future. I was not there to fool myself. I met a lot of people and paid close attention to energy matters. I don't spout slogans for its own sake.
I've said, that geothermal generated electricity is half that of oil (21 cents per kilowatt hour). And, it will stay stable for 500,000 years. I've been to Iceland and the Phillipines to see geothermal plants in operation. I was co chair of the geothermal working group that was commissioned by commiissioned by the state legislature. i sit on the Hawaii Clean Energy Steering committee. Yet, none of this is rocket science. Its all about adding and subtracting because one needs more coming in than going out. Or, one needs to quit what one is doing. All that is necessary is a bit of common sense.
I've also said, it isn't the strongest or the smartest that survive, its the one that can adapt. That was the essence of Darwins work. He was 22 years old when he spent five years going around the world on the HMS Beagle. He sent back about 1,800 samples. Although. He published his book The Origin of Species 30 years later, his ideas and concepts were pretty much fully formed from early on. Your saying, it was only about " natural selection" is missing the point.
A year ago, I brought professor Charles A S Hall to Hawaii to give a series of lecturers. He is an internationally renowned systems ecologist. He is best known as the father of the term Energy Return on Investment (EROI). In the 1930's, it took the energy in one barrel of oil to get a hundred barrels. By the 1970's, that had become 30 to 1. Now, it is around 10-1. The lower it goes the more expensive it is. It is estimated that we need a return if 12-1 to maintain a society as we have become accustomed. Biofuels is barely break even.
I also use the term rubbah slippah folks. It parallels the 99% to 1% term that is commonly used. Most folks can find themselves in the rubbah slippah category. To me it is easier to understand than 99% to 1%. As it relates to the Big Island. we have the lowest median family income in the state.
But, we can do something about it by lowering the cost of living. Our best prospects are in geothermal and biotech. But, you are against both.
I just don't think that you get it. I keep asking what about the rubbah slippah folks? You seem to be out trying to save the world. But, you have no solution for the rubbah slippah folks.