01-15-2014, 02:16 PM
Rainyjim,
I have never voiced an opinion about GMOs here, so you should not make assumptions about what I think, or lump me in with anyone else just because you disagree with both me and them on separate issues.
The deer were illegally brought to the Big Island quite a while after I moved here, so how am I trying "come here and want to change it"? The people who brought the deer are the ones who decided to change things. Are you saying that the only people who can have an opinion about Hawaii Island are people who were born here? Or is there some magic number of years people have to cross, and then they can have an opinion about what happens here?
If the Axis deer get established no one will be able to afford to grow food commercially here on the Big Island, the fencing will be too expensive. Do you seriously want to let that happen because "There really isn't much agriculture occuring at the present on the Big Island, furthermore what little agriculture is happening is almost entirely being shipped off island - thereby benefitting locals and the local economy in only the most indirect and limited of ways. " Are you saying the people who grow food to be shipped off island are not "local" enough to deserve protection from a carelessly imported non-native herbivore with no natural predators, who will consider their crops a prime food source?
Encouraging real food self sufficiency is a good idea, but a voracious herbivore that only a small percentage of the population will hunt and eat doesn't seem like the way to go. I am not a knee jerk anti hunter, I grew up with kids who hunted every morning before school during deer season and had friends who paid for their cars and even college by running trap lines and digging ginseng. But the only time I ever saw my mother cry was when deer destroyed her 2 acre garden over the course of a week, she fed our family through the winter from that garden, and that year was the first time I remember eating store bought vegetables. Whatever the deer didn't eat they just trashed, my dad spent the winter doubling the height of the fence to 9 feet and electrifying the top, with mixed success.
Deer are a bad idea here, just look at how many pigs there are literally everywhere on this island, even with no season no limit hunting of pigs. Pigs can be controlled with low rock walls and low field fencing, these deer are incredible jumpers and require very high fences. Do you honestly think the hunters here will do a better job of keeping these deer under control than they do with pigs? Pig hunting is a big part of the culture here, but we still have no shortage of pigs. Deer hunting is not a part of the local culture, I don't see deer hunting being a big enough force to keep the deer population under control so they do no harm to people who want to grow food crops.
Carol
I have never voiced an opinion about GMOs here, so you should not make assumptions about what I think, or lump me in with anyone else just because you disagree with both me and them on separate issues.
The deer were illegally brought to the Big Island quite a while after I moved here, so how am I trying "come here and want to change it"? The people who brought the deer are the ones who decided to change things. Are you saying that the only people who can have an opinion about Hawaii Island are people who were born here? Or is there some magic number of years people have to cross, and then they can have an opinion about what happens here?
If the Axis deer get established no one will be able to afford to grow food commercially here on the Big Island, the fencing will be too expensive. Do you seriously want to let that happen because "There really isn't much agriculture occuring at the present on the Big Island, furthermore what little agriculture is happening is almost entirely being shipped off island - thereby benefitting locals and the local economy in only the most indirect and limited of ways. " Are you saying the people who grow food to be shipped off island are not "local" enough to deserve protection from a carelessly imported non-native herbivore with no natural predators, who will consider their crops a prime food source?
Encouraging real food self sufficiency is a good idea, but a voracious herbivore that only a small percentage of the population will hunt and eat doesn't seem like the way to go. I am not a knee jerk anti hunter, I grew up with kids who hunted every morning before school during deer season and had friends who paid for their cars and even college by running trap lines and digging ginseng. But the only time I ever saw my mother cry was when deer destroyed her 2 acre garden over the course of a week, she fed our family through the winter from that garden, and that year was the first time I remember eating store bought vegetables. Whatever the deer didn't eat they just trashed, my dad spent the winter doubling the height of the fence to 9 feet and electrifying the top, with mixed success.
Deer are a bad idea here, just look at how many pigs there are literally everywhere on this island, even with no season no limit hunting of pigs. Pigs can be controlled with low rock walls and low field fencing, these deer are incredible jumpers and require very high fences. Do you honestly think the hunters here will do a better job of keeping these deer under control than they do with pigs? Pig hunting is a big part of the culture here, but we still have no shortage of pigs. Deer hunting is not a part of the local culture, I don't see deer hunting being a big enough force to keep the deer population under control so they do no harm to people who want to grow food crops.
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb