06-07-2014, 02:04 PM
Carol.. thanks for your thoughts. I too can not imagine an answer that would work without disrupting many. Enough so that the outcry is going to be way loud no matter.. to the point that without a whole lot more political will than has ever been demonstrated previously nothing is going to happen. Though I also think every day that passes without this issue being resolved makes resolving it that much harder.
What concerns me is that at what point does the community as a whole.. i.e. our government.. become accountable for not providing a reasonable infrastructure? As an example we have building codes that builders must follow to insure a standard that then can be relied upon by the consumer.. i.e. if it has a final then it's a house and you can expect... whatever. And, I would expect the same holds true with all the licensed professionals in our community. i.e. if the guy's a dentist.. well you get the picture
So when does the guy that provides roads and such.. sewage.. water.. infrastructure stuff.. have to own up to their responsibilities? And, when does the lack of action catch up to them? As in when is the death or extensive injuries that are caused.. in whole or in part.. by the lack of good roads that are passable to transport people in EM situations.. become something our government is accountable for?
After all, our government.. i.e. us.. we the people... allowed for all these massive subdivisions to be made in the first place. Further, we have happily issued building permits and taxed everything involved.. so when should 'we' have to give some of that back? i.e. invest in ourselves?
It seems to me that we have already crossed that line. A look at Google maps in satellite view of HPP is enough to scare anyone methinks. There are a whole lot of people there! All of them paying taxes.. and getting what in return? The makai alternative to 130 is as Frankie pointed out.. been on the table for a very very long time... and was a foregone conclusion as far back as the '70s, when it would have been cheap.. and had almost no impact on anyone... to do.
As to your personal situation.. If I were you I'd be grateful that the situation has you moving on.. starting over.. and get out of the way entirely. Grateful that you're motivated rather than entrenched and already expecting to live out your days where you are. Btw.. you can loose your dream for all sorts of reasons.. not just a highway coming through your yard. A love one passes.. a child needs.. you're told you're getting a divorce.. sheesh the place can burn down!
But still towns.. cities and all the stuff in-between have all risen out of the land.. and over time been rebuilt and rebuilt to accommodate the ever growing populations. And, if I were ever to be told by the doc at the hospital.. I am sorry sir but your.. wife.. daughter.. friend.. someone I love just didn't get there fast enough.. what? Is it just the luck of the draw? or as I said is there a point at which the collective.. i.e. we the people.. are responsible?
What concerns me is that at what point does the community as a whole.. i.e. our government.. become accountable for not providing a reasonable infrastructure? As an example we have building codes that builders must follow to insure a standard that then can be relied upon by the consumer.. i.e. if it has a final then it's a house and you can expect... whatever. And, I would expect the same holds true with all the licensed professionals in our community. i.e. if the guy's a dentist.. well you get the picture
So when does the guy that provides roads and such.. sewage.. water.. infrastructure stuff.. have to own up to their responsibilities? And, when does the lack of action catch up to them? As in when is the death or extensive injuries that are caused.. in whole or in part.. by the lack of good roads that are passable to transport people in EM situations.. become something our government is accountable for?
After all, our government.. i.e. us.. we the people... allowed for all these massive subdivisions to be made in the first place. Further, we have happily issued building permits and taxed everything involved.. so when should 'we' have to give some of that back? i.e. invest in ourselves?
It seems to me that we have already crossed that line. A look at Google maps in satellite view of HPP is enough to scare anyone methinks. There are a whole lot of people there! All of them paying taxes.. and getting what in return? The makai alternative to 130 is as Frankie pointed out.. been on the table for a very very long time... and was a foregone conclusion as far back as the '70s, when it would have been cheap.. and had almost no impact on anyone... to do.
As to your personal situation.. If I were you I'd be grateful that the situation has you moving on.. starting over.. and get out of the way entirely. Grateful that you're motivated rather than entrenched and already expecting to live out your days where you are. Btw.. you can loose your dream for all sorts of reasons.. not just a highway coming through your yard. A love one passes.. a child needs.. you're told you're getting a divorce.. sheesh the place can burn down!
But still towns.. cities and all the stuff in-between have all risen out of the land.. and over time been rebuilt and rebuilt to accommodate the ever growing populations. And, if I were ever to be told by the doc at the hospital.. I am sorry sir but your.. wife.. daughter.. friend.. someone I love just didn't get there fast enough.. what? Is it just the luck of the draw? or as I said is there a point at which the collective.. i.e. we the people.. are responsible?