08-02-2014, 02:47 PM
Unlike the HPD officers. Deedy was not at the McDonald's in his official capacity as security for the State Department. He didn't walk into get a Taro Pie with Hillary Clinton.
It is absolutely immaterial that he was a Federal Officer other than that it allowed him to carry a concealed weapon. Whether it was reasonable to use deadly force as a matter of self defense is a matter for the jury.
The jury may need to consider the extent to which Deedy was cruisin' for a bruisin'. That is to say, did he deliberately provoke the victim with the specific purpose of getting the victim to attack him?
Racism. by the way. has nothing to do with the decision the jury must make in any way, shape or form. Non-jury members may want to consider it in determining whether Elderts is a bad person and should die for calling Deedy a haole.
The judge in this case is not very bright. She failed to include manslaughter as an option for the jury to consider in the initial case and inexplicably has (thus far) suggested she might allow the jury to convict on assault in lieu of murder. Elderts was not assaulted. He was killed. Assault is not a lesser included offense to murder. That is to say, a jury may normally properly consider whether a person committed premeditated murder (a possibility in this case) or a murder in the heat of passion or anger.
The prelude to Deedy getting knocked down suggests that his testosterone was up and he invited an altercation knowing that he would prevail because he had a gun his big-assed Bermuda shorts (wrong island!). This big ole Federal agent getting knocked to the ground by some little local punk suggests our State Department officials are not as well-protected as we might like and that Deedy might have been really angry when he got up, and might have shot Elderts in a fit of anger.
We don't get to decide though. A jury does. You, me, and everyone else is just in the peanut gallery. Deedy better hope there are one or two white, male, military guys on the jury who think that when a local calls you a white guy, and you engage him and then he then knocks you to the ground that you are perfectly entitled to kill him if he acts like he might do it again.
That is to say, he had better hope that a juror thinks you should be able to fight back against racist sticks and stones and a humiliating punch to the ground with deadly force.
It looks like Deedy had nothing but deadly force to protect himself -- other than the ability to just walk out of the McDonald's without his Big Mac. He certainly was stymied at what to do if someone calls you a bad name and, after some discussion, looks like they are going to punch you. If I were John Kerry, I would order an immediate review of security for all State Department officials. If Deedy is representative, these guys are very soft and need a gun. And their asses look really broad and flat in those Bermuda shorts. Perhaps the State Department needs to hire a boatload of local bruddahs and then train them how to use a gun as a last, and not a first, resort.
It is absolutely immaterial that he was a Federal Officer other than that it allowed him to carry a concealed weapon. Whether it was reasonable to use deadly force as a matter of self defense is a matter for the jury.
The jury may need to consider the extent to which Deedy was cruisin' for a bruisin'. That is to say, did he deliberately provoke the victim with the specific purpose of getting the victim to attack him?
Racism. by the way. has nothing to do with the decision the jury must make in any way, shape or form. Non-jury members may want to consider it in determining whether Elderts is a bad person and should die for calling Deedy a haole.
The judge in this case is not very bright. She failed to include manslaughter as an option for the jury to consider in the initial case and inexplicably has (thus far) suggested she might allow the jury to convict on assault in lieu of murder. Elderts was not assaulted. He was killed. Assault is not a lesser included offense to murder. That is to say, a jury may normally properly consider whether a person committed premeditated murder (a possibility in this case) or a murder in the heat of passion or anger.
The prelude to Deedy getting knocked down suggests that his testosterone was up and he invited an altercation knowing that he would prevail because he had a gun his big-assed Bermuda shorts (wrong island!). This big ole Federal agent getting knocked to the ground by some little local punk suggests our State Department officials are not as well-protected as we might like and that Deedy might have been really angry when he got up, and might have shot Elderts in a fit of anger.
We don't get to decide though. A jury does. You, me, and everyone else is just in the peanut gallery. Deedy better hope there are one or two white, male, military guys on the jury who think that when a local calls you a white guy, and you engage him and then he then knocks you to the ground that you are perfectly entitled to kill him if he acts like he might do it again.
That is to say, he had better hope that a juror thinks you should be able to fight back against racist sticks and stones and a humiliating punch to the ground with deadly force.
It looks like Deedy had nothing but deadly force to protect himself -- other than the ability to just walk out of the McDonald's without his Big Mac. He certainly was stymied at what to do if someone calls you a bad name and, after some discussion, looks like they are going to punch you. If I were John Kerry, I would order an immediate review of security for all State Department officials. If Deedy is representative, these guys are very soft and need a gun. And their asses look really broad and flat in those Bermuda shorts. Perhaps the State Department needs to hire a boatload of local bruddahs and then train them how to use a gun as a last, and not a first, resort.