09-26-2014, 04:18 PM
"Thanks Carol,
I'd like to know something else also. When is Pele no longer present or is she always present? I.e. is she present only in the form of hot lava or is she also present in the solidified lava too? Many cultures inclusive of one of my cultures (Native American, English and Norwegian), the Native American culture side saw Nature in everything inclusive of many spirits within the animals etc. I've heard it expressed as Pele is Nature but I don't want to assume that's strictly the case from a few comments. So my question is, Is Pele present everywhere or is she exclusive to Lava and if exclusive to lava, in what forms?
Maybe this should be slide over to the Puna Talk forum. I'll post these questions in the other forum as to allow this thread to go back to the topic. Sorry."
I'm bringing over Wao nahele kane's post from the other thread just to maintain continuity.
The thing I do know is that the Hawaiian's had distinct names for virtually every landscape feature, especially along the ocean, and that there are stories that go along with each name. That usually implies a culture that considers the total landscape to be "sacred" or at least all the named parts, and here it seems everywhere had a name. I do not know how that ties in with the reverence for Pele, but cultures that view most or all of the natural landscape to be sacred tend to be pretty uninclined to change the landscape as part of their world view. Pele would be especially sacred because of her ability to both destroy and create new land.
Part of the problem for those of use who were not raised close to, or part of, this culture is we have to understand a world view where the prohibition against something like diverting lava could be so built into all aspects of the culture that they didn't need a specific prohibition against it, it was just unthinkable.
I hope those who are more knowledgeable about this bring their mana'o to the discussion.
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
I'd like to know something else also. When is Pele no longer present or is she always present? I.e. is she present only in the form of hot lava or is she also present in the solidified lava too? Many cultures inclusive of one of my cultures (Native American, English and Norwegian), the Native American culture side saw Nature in everything inclusive of many spirits within the animals etc. I've heard it expressed as Pele is Nature but I don't want to assume that's strictly the case from a few comments. So my question is, Is Pele present everywhere or is she exclusive to Lava and if exclusive to lava, in what forms?
Maybe this should be slide over to the Puna Talk forum. I'll post these questions in the other forum as to allow this thread to go back to the topic. Sorry."
I'm bringing over Wao nahele kane's post from the other thread just to maintain continuity.
The thing I do know is that the Hawaiian's had distinct names for virtually every landscape feature, especially along the ocean, and that there are stories that go along with each name. That usually implies a culture that considers the total landscape to be "sacred" or at least all the named parts, and here it seems everywhere had a name. I do not know how that ties in with the reverence for Pele, but cultures that view most or all of the natural landscape to be sacred tend to be pretty uninclined to change the landscape as part of their world view. Pele would be especially sacred because of her ability to both destroy and create new land.
Part of the problem for those of use who were not raised close to, or part of, this culture is we have to understand a world view where the prohibition against something like diverting lava could be so built into all aspects of the culture that they didn't need a specific prohibition against it, it was just unthinkable.
I hope those who are more knowledgeable about this bring their mana'o to the discussion.
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb