04-10-2015, 05:42 AM
Hmm... and both sides entrench deeper.
While I agree with dakine in seeing activism and engagement as positive, HOTPE's solution of a state-wide vote is a more accurate and honest measurement of wide-spread sentiment. Of course, this would continue to marginalize certain strong views, as they are in the populational, cultural, & political minority. While I think most of us can understand the strong desire for increased self-determination, the process of enacting this ideal is a very messy affair.
Unfortunately, part of that mess is the mix of stances coming from the #aoleTMT movement itself. It is difficult to understand how they can be decrying the breaking of state & federal law and process, but also denouncing these laws as invalid because of the 1893 overthrow and illegal occupation. Or to be seeking a continuation of the Hawaiian Kingdom while carrying images of Ku, the worship of which was outlawed during the Hawaiian Kingdom.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2015/0...mauna-kea/
Perhaps I am just dumb (being HA-OLE and all), or perhaps the umbrella of the movement is too big to allow for a consistent claim beyond #wearemaunakea, but this approach feels duplicitous or opportunistic in some ways. Probably just another difficult question that will remain unanswered.
There are a couple notable voices absent from this discussion lately. Most likely they are busy in the real world, but hopefully they might lend their experienced insights at some point.
While I agree with dakine in seeing activism and engagement as positive, HOTPE's solution of a state-wide vote is a more accurate and honest measurement of wide-spread sentiment. Of course, this would continue to marginalize certain strong views, as they are in the populational, cultural, & political minority. While I think most of us can understand the strong desire for increased self-determination, the process of enacting this ideal is a very messy affair.
Unfortunately, part of that mess is the mix of stances coming from the #aoleTMT movement itself. It is difficult to understand how they can be decrying the breaking of state & federal law and process, but also denouncing these laws as invalid because of the 1893 overthrow and illegal occupation. Or to be seeking a continuation of the Hawaiian Kingdom while carrying images of Ku, the worship of which was outlawed during the Hawaiian Kingdom.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2015/0...mauna-kea/
Perhaps I am just dumb (being HA-OLE and all), or perhaps the umbrella of the movement is too big to allow for a consistent claim beyond #wearemaunakea, but this approach feels duplicitous or opportunistic in some ways. Probably just another difficult question that will remain unanswered.
There are a couple notable voices absent from this discussion lately. Most likely they are busy in the real world, but hopefully they might lend their experienced insights at some point.