04-14-2015, 07:49 PM
Hey PunaMauka2 -
I'll try to ground some of our back-and-forth in the simple notion that I do not, and cannot, know the entirety of another person's perspective, so I do not try to speak for them. I find this to be true for people in the same country, community, family, or even household as me. As such, I consider it very likely to be true for people from different countries, cultures, and time periods.
This does not mean that these "other" views are esoteric or incomprehensible; but any understanding will not be found by projecting our own words and ideas, especially when based on the worst of assumptions.
Ultimately the speculation matters not regarding what pre-contact Hawaiians or King Kalakaua or would think of the TMT on Mauna Kea -
it matters what we all think should be done, which is figured out by allowing each perspective to speak for itself and actually listen to what is being said.
ETA (or not apparently - lets just fling crap at each other and shout about how advanced and superior we are - oh the irony)
I'll try to ground some of our back-and-forth in the simple notion that I do not, and cannot, know the entirety of another person's perspective, so I do not try to speak for them. I find this to be true for people in the same country, community, family, or even household as me. As such, I consider it very likely to be true for people from different countries, cultures, and time periods.
This does not mean that these "other" views are esoteric or incomprehensible; but any understanding will not be found by projecting our own words and ideas, especially when based on the worst of assumptions.
Ultimately the speculation matters not regarding what pre-contact Hawaiians or King Kalakaua or would think of the TMT on Mauna Kea -
it matters what we all think should be done, which is figured out by allowing each perspective to speak for itself and actually listen to what is being said.
ETA (or not apparently - lets just fling crap at each other and shout about how advanced and superior we are - oh the irony)