05-09-2015, 02:27 AM
Aloha kakahiaka all! MarkP, apologies for making such a blanket statement, and no offense was meant. In fact, you are correct; some of the protestors reasons are not factual, and deserve countering. For the record, I am also one who will "never get it" when posts are made that are so erroneous it does not compute.
PaulW, with respect, it was only ONE (1) "protestor" (with several names, and some mental issues), who threatened the student. He also threatened other protestors! Again, he has been dealt with, and is no longer part of the movement. In fact, may face charges.
Mr. Tom, Sir. Yes, I did get to observe the protestors and observatory staff interact on one occasion. Very civil, very polite, as it should be.
ironyak, is correct, and I stand corrected. It is partially about the TMT as a symbol of "enough is enough", due to the lack of management and stewardship of Mauna Kea, evidenced by the State Auditor's reports. Ceded lands/Crown lands is also a huge part of this argument, and until that issue is cleared up (which may be never, under US law), it will remain a huge question as part of the overall argument. Perhaps a better statement is "This is not ALL about the TMT."
I thought I read Kane's post re: "It started here (with a link to the DOI site). Exactly. The DOI meetings showed that Hawaiians can come together for once (Federal recognition-99% said "A'ole"). This TMT movement is on the heels of that showing.
It will be interesting to see how middle ground is found, and if the construction period will be delayed until the last appeal is decided on, which includes the Ceded Land/Crown Lands issue.
Apologies again for the statement "this is not about TMT. At. All", which apparently does not sit right. That is still my personal opinion, given what I see as the "meat and potatoes" of the TMT issue.
JMO.
ETA: typo; need more coffee.
PaulW, with respect, it was only ONE (1) "protestor" (with several names, and some mental issues), who threatened the student. He also threatened other protestors! Again, he has been dealt with, and is no longer part of the movement. In fact, may face charges.
Mr. Tom, Sir. Yes, I did get to observe the protestors and observatory staff interact on one occasion. Very civil, very polite, as it should be.
ironyak, is correct, and I stand corrected. It is partially about the TMT as a symbol of "enough is enough", due to the lack of management and stewardship of Mauna Kea, evidenced by the State Auditor's reports. Ceded lands/Crown lands is also a huge part of this argument, and until that issue is cleared up (which may be never, under US law), it will remain a huge question as part of the overall argument. Perhaps a better statement is "This is not ALL about the TMT."
I thought I read Kane's post re: "It started here (with a link to the DOI site). Exactly. The DOI meetings showed that Hawaiians can come together for once (Federal recognition-99% said "A'ole"). This TMT movement is on the heels of that showing.
It will be interesting to see how middle ground is found, and if the construction period will be delayed until the last appeal is decided on, which includes the Ceded Land/Crown Lands issue.
Apologies again for the statement "this is not about TMT. At. All", which apparently does not sit right. That is still my personal opinion, given what I see as the "meat and potatoes" of the TMT issue.
JMO.
ETA: typo; need more coffee.