05-09-2015, 08:56 AM
quote:Well, MarkP, let me do a two step for you instead. You took issue with my statement, and my intent was to apologize for the obvious offense taken. Let me explain further, (the two step) given your last few posts.
Originally posted by MarkP
With all due respect Opihikao, you can't just waltz in and apologize as though for an unintended personal slight. This goes to the very heart of whether the protest is reasonable. The "movement" is demanding that the world take them seriously and inherent in that is a claim that their arguments are consistent and logical. If you want to play that card your arguments must be consistent and logical. In fact if you want to support others as they play that card you need to be on the forefront, pointing out their errors and keeping the message on point. When one freak voiced a vile opinion, the silence was deafening from the majority of the anti-TMT crowd. That was almost as bad as the original statement. Another lost opportunity to show the world that they are ready for prime-time. When weirdos at public hearings go on about poison clouds, well yeah there's weirdos in every bunch but again there was no response from the rest of the anti-TMTs to distance themselves other than the more reasonable ones such as yourself saying privately that they don't believe those things. Not good enough. You can't have your own private opinion while backing a mutually exclusive public opinion.
I stand by all of my statements, and they are my own opinion based on personal experiences, doing "homework" (sometimes for years, like in this TMT subject), and personal thought process.
As to your comment below, it leaves me confused, however will try to understand and respond:
When she says she is not in agreement with the movement at least on certain points I am able to understand. When she then turns around and defends, even by silence, the movement when they reiterate the very points that she said she is not in agreement with, I am not able to understand. This has to do with dealing with reality.
Being "silent" is where I'm lost, as my absence/silence (on PW) sometimes is due to real life, and contemplation before writing anything here.
If you think I've been silent with the protestors directly, you are sadly mistaken. Some of these protestors are my ohana, Some of the proTMT staff are my ohana, some of the DLNR cops are my ohana; I take this VERY personally.
I don't agree with everything they are claiming. Either side. They know it, because I am firm in my position once it is reached.
It is not my intent to create conflict, EVER. I take umbrage at that statement. Just wanted to share information as it is received, and to participate in discussion. Helps me while contemplating, to see other opinions, and weed out fact from fiction. Heretofore, I shall attempt to be more careful in making statements that may be misconstrued. Moreso, to avoid having to again, defend my opinion.
Frankly, that's why I always end with...
JMO.
Just trying to find resolution, as one person, who cares about what is happening, and wants to make a difference if possible. Mahalo, shockwave rider, mtviewdude.
ETA: typo