05-09-2015, 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by MarkP
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Originally posted by shockwave rider
Are you putting forth the idea that Opihikao has the responsibility to respond to every action or statement made by every anti-TMT advocate, and that she is defending them through silence when she does not? Does that mean you are willing to be held responsible for every racist, illogical or dishonest statement made by pro-TMT advocates? Are you willing to be considered to be defending those pro-TMT advocates by your silence when you do not denounce them?
No. I hold her responsible for the things that she herself says. Specifically the conflicts that she herself creates. I hold her responsible for responding to those statements made by those protesters that she specifically endorses. How can anybody not understand this? No wonder this topic is such a cluster-you know what.
If there are any pro-TMT advocates that have said things worthy of condemnation, and if I openly supported those pro-TMT advocates, and if I then turned around and privately said well don't assume I agree with them cause I don't, THEN I would be worthy of criticism.
I should really not have responded to this post as my original statement was clear enough.
You cannot simultaneously claim to only hold someone responsible for what they say, and also say "When she then turns around and defends, even by silence, the movement when they reiterate the very points that she said she is not in agreement with, I am not able to understand." You are accusing her of defending something by not denouncing it. If that is a valid position then it could be said that you, as a pro-TMT voice "defends, even through silence" some of the blatantly racist statements made on this and other threads about the anti-TMT crowd. You can't have it both ways.