05-26-2015, 02:12 AM
Kalakoa : Yes and not only that but real estate speculators and politicians were involved in creating Fern Forest. No wonder it is a mess.
justthefacts, : Yes bad mouthing is effecting us as well. Unfortunately most humans tend to believe the first thing they hear and never question the facts. Sometimes the lies are outrageous, but people will believe them. I was accused of stealing the fire truck,LOL
If you do not know me, you might believe it, but everyone I know thought that was funnier than crap.
VancouverIslander : Eden Roc may not have mandatory road fees but many past Board members there have tried to tell people they are.
And many people in my subdivision want the access road opened between the subdivisions, but evidently we are a bunch of thieves is the reason we are given for it. More rumors that are causing us to be divided. I think if Eden Roc people that are saying that would drive around our neighborhood, there are some pretty nice homes. So to lump us all in the thief category is sad because that is a statement of the absolute and improbable that every human that lives in this subdivision is a thief. And I am sure every subdivision has its' share of thieves, just Iike anywhere. I wonder if Eden Roc knew that we are their volunteer fire department, maybe they would feel different. We had to take your fire truck because your neighborhood vandalizes the truck. We are not making the assumption that all people of Eden Roc are vandals. We want to be able to get to you quickly to help fight fires, and we now have to go all the way out and in to your area which will cost valuable time for us to respond and, well, it isn't rocket science. I personally do not care if the access is open, just giving the facts.
So, the rumors even have subdivisions divided with each other. We need to get together and help each other
DanielIP : That was not the only one reason given. The reason the lot is closed changes depending on what day you ask them. And the people that were so much trouble, could it be over exaggerated to suit their purposes to keep us off the lot ?
I know it sounds crazy. Why would they do that you ask ? Well, simple, the illusion of power; and desire for a private club disguised as community organization. These people accuse others of being thieves, but have been caught with stolen property and even stealing county fire dept equipment, and they are the ones calling out others for their alleged transgressions. That is the pot calling the kettle black, just saying. Their credibility is shot. And does the County close a park because there is one family making trouble, no. They do not. They call the Police. Other excuses that they have used to keep the lot closed, doing work on lot. I guess welding a permanent barrier across the driveway with no permit could be construed as work, and used road maintenance money and resources to do it. The community lot does not belong to the roads. And putting in electric does not interfere with us using the parking lot and the rest of the park. Another excuse was : no insurance. Well, let us examine that. They have had four years to get it, so why hasn't it been done ? Since the roads co-mingles money with the community lot, why didn't they just pay the insurance ? They have already admitted to spending road money on the lot all the time. A violation of a court order because it said they had the right to collect voluntary fees of $25. It never said they could spend the money however they wanted, or decide to raise our fees without a vote, or take salaries; or half the things they decided they could do, like change the names of our streets without asking the lot owners. You see the nightmare is ugly. And once you sit down and think about it, it is pretty bad. So, their excuses for the lot being closed does not make sense when it has been closed for 4 years. That means they are incompetent and a failure. Let someone else try. But no, they just keep making it worse
Obie : Yes and I can prove every allegation by the way, or I would not have written that. But there is too much evidence to state it here. If you would like to meet with me I can go over these things with you point by point. But here are a few examples :
Yes when you commit multiple crimes for over ten years or more as an enterprise, then you will fall under the RICO Act.
To associate the payment of money with the right vote is electoral fraud. It is considered to rig the voting. Also when you pay someone's membership fee to have them vote how you want, that is also electoral fraud and it is illegal. They are telling people that they have the power to take their property from them so why don't they just avoid court and give them the property in lieu of back road fees. That is extortion, plain and simple, especially since that statement is a lie. The court never gave them the power to act like the property tax office, ONLY to collect the money for road maintenance. I know people that were in court back in 1991 and it was clear the road fees were voluntary. At some point they started telling people they had all this power to take your property, they do NOT. That is fraud and extortion. They also claim to be a non-profit, but that is a tax code term given to you by the IRS only after you jump through their hoops and get your determination letter. So, to claim you are when you are not is fraud. The IRS is cracking down on organizations that are misusing that tax code term. These people seem to think the term non-profit is an activity, but they do not even have any activities other than secret meetings to plot to steal from us. One Board member was seen stealing a port potty from a burnt house and they put it up on the community lot and said they bought it and charged us for it. That is theft twice !!! First for stealing the port potty and second when they charged us for it. By the way, the people who own that porta potty want it back, but it is set up at the community lot as the community's toilet. And that is after they tore down a real two stalled tiled bathroom. I think we are going backwards here if you look at the big picture. They cut down the basketball pole for the kids to use the pole to hook up electric to it. All without asking the lot owners. They built a fire pit on top of cesspool, so yeah incompetence overfloweth…….FACT!!!
So, I do not believe anything those people say at all.
They have proven to be untrustworthy and even the president of this country can be impeached, so they need to stop acting like a dictatorship period before they get sued. But the damage is done and it will take a long time to fix it. I am in for there long haul and have many people standing with me to fix this mess once and for all. That is if we get the chance since the IRS and many other agencies are investigating this right now.
These people might all end up in jail and problem solved
justthefacts, : Yes bad mouthing is effecting us as well. Unfortunately most humans tend to believe the first thing they hear and never question the facts. Sometimes the lies are outrageous, but people will believe them. I was accused of stealing the fire truck,LOL
If you do not know me, you might believe it, but everyone I know thought that was funnier than crap.
VancouverIslander : Eden Roc may not have mandatory road fees but many past Board members there have tried to tell people they are.
And many people in my subdivision want the access road opened between the subdivisions, but evidently we are a bunch of thieves is the reason we are given for it. More rumors that are causing us to be divided. I think if Eden Roc people that are saying that would drive around our neighborhood, there are some pretty nice homes. So to lump us all in the thief category is sad because that is a statement of the absolute and improbable that every human that lives in this subdivision is a thief. And I am sure every subdivision has its' share of thieves, just Iike anywhere. I wonder if Eden Roc knew that we are their volunteer fire department, maybe they would feel different. We had to take your fire truck because your neighborhood vandalizes the truck. We are not making the assumption that all people of Eden Roc are vandals. We want to be able to get to you quickly to help fight fires, and we now have to go all the way out and in to your area which will cost valuable time for us to respond and, well, it isn't rocket science. I personally do not care if the access is open, just giving the facts.
So, the rumors even have subdivisions divided with each other. We need to get together and help each other
DanielIP : That was not the only one reason given. The reason the lot is closed changes depending on what day you ask them. And the people that were so much trouble, could it be over exaggerated to suit their purposes to keep us off the lot ?
I know it sounds crazy. Why would they do that you ask ? Well, simple, the illusion of power; and desire for a private club disguised as community organization. These people accuse others of being thieves, but have been caught with stolen property and even stealing county fire dept equipment, and they are the ones calling out others for their alleged transgressions. That is the pot calling the kettle black, just saying. Their credibility is shot. And does the County close a park because there is one family making trouble, no. They do not. They call the Police. Other excuses that they have used to keep the lot closed, doing work on lot. I guess welding a permanent barrier across the driveway with no permit could be construed as work, and used road maintenance money and resources to do it. The community lot does not belong to the roads. And putting in electric does not interfere with us using the parking lot and the rest of the park. Another excuse was : no insurance. Well, let us examine that. They have had four years to get it, so why hasn't it been done ? Since the roads co-mingles money with the community lot, why didn't they just pay the insurance ? They have already admitted to spending road money on the lot all the time. A violation of a court order because it said they had the right to collect voluntary fees of $25. It never said they could spend the money however they wanted, or decide to raise our fees without a vote, or take salaries; or half the things they decided they could do, like change the names of our streets without asking the lot owners. You see the nightmare is ugly. And once you sit down and think about it, it is pretty bad. So, their excuses for the lot being closed does not make sense when it has been closed for 4 years. That means they are incompetent and a failure. Let someone else try. But no, they just keep making it worse
Obie : Yes and I can prove every allegation by the way, or I would not have written that. But there is too much evidence to state it here. If you would like to meet with me I can go over these things with you point by point. But here are a few examples :
Yes when you commit multiple crimes for over ten years or more as an enterprise, then you will fall under the RICO Act.
To associate the payment of money with the right vote is electoral fraud. It is considered to rig the voting. Also when you pay someone's membership fee to have them vote how you want, that is also electoral fraud and it is illegal. They are telling people that they have the power to take their property from them so why don't they just avoid court and give them the property in lieu of back road fees. That is extortion, plain and simple, especially since that statement is a lie. The court never gave them the power to act like the property tax office, ONLY to collect the money for road maintenance. I know people that were in court back in 1991 and it was clear the road fees were voluntary. At some point they started telling people they had all this power to take your property, they do NOT. That is fraud and extortion. They also claim to be a non-profit, but that is a tax code term given to you by the IRS only after you jump through their hoops and get your determination letter. So, to claim you are when you are not is fraud. The IRS is cracking down on organizations that are misusing that tax code term. These people seem to think the term non-profit is an activity, but they do not even have any activities other than secret meetings to plot to steal from us. One Board member was seen stealing a port potty from a burnt house and they put it up on the community lot and said they bought it and charged us for it. That is theft twice !!! First for stealing the port potty and second when they charged us for it. By the way, the people who own that porta potty want it back, but it is set up at the community lot as the community's toilet. And that is after they tore down a real two stalled tiled bathroom. I think we are going backwards here if you look at the big picture. They cut down the basketball pole for the kids to use the pole to hook up electric to it. All without asking the lot owners. They built a fire pit on top of cesspool, so yeah incompetence overfloweth…….FACT!!!
So, I do not believe anything those people say at all.
They have proven to be untrustworthy and even the president of this country can be impeached, so they need to stop acting like a dictatorship period before they get sued. But the damage is done and it will take a long time to fix it. I am in for there long haul and have many people standing with me to fix this mess once and for all. That is if we get the chance since the IRS and many other agencies are investigating this right now.
These people might all end up in jail and problem solved