06-06-2015, 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by dakine
quote:I think this is great and find the absence of posts about it by the likes of PM2 and PaulW ext., i.e. the extremely vocal it'll never happen flag waving Americans who seem so insulated by even the mention of Hawaiian rights and the entire issue of reparations for the crimes of their forefathers, to be conspicuously missing. I mean gee, after all the time we have been told the Hawaiians are full of crap and have not a leg to stand on the Hawaii Supreme Court seems to think, right or wrong, they do, at least to the point of warranting a hearing of they complaint!
Originally posted by Aaron S
I didn't expect this to happen. The Hawaii Supreme Court's decision to transfer the TMT CDUP appeal has expedited the final adjudication of this case. If the appeal had gone through the ICA, that decision would be likely appealed to the Hawaii Supreme Court anyway. In short, we're probably much closer to some kind of closure with this decision.
http://hpr2.org/post/tmt-case-taken-hawa...reme-court
Amen!
I have to take issue with the whole "crimes of their forefathers" blame casting. Unless you are talking about descendants of the people who overthrew the Kingdom of Hawaii, and profit from that overthrow today, these were not the crimes of anyone's forefathers. You can't hold living people responsible for actions taken by long dead individuals they may share nothing with other than skin pigmentation. None of my ancestors lived in the United States before the American Civil War, the only thing I have in common with southern plantation owners is pale skin, is that enough to make me responsible for slavery in the United States?
Similarly, my ancestors were basically serfs living under the thumbs of large land owners in south central Europe when the overthrow happened here, they had more in common with the maka'ainana than the sugar plantation owners, so what exactly would be the crimes of my forefathers?
There is no question the overthrow casts a long shadow over Hawaii, but using phrases like "the crimes of their forefathers" to lay blame for actions taken over a century ago on those living today is not productive or likely to add to the discourse.