07-03-2015, 02:15 PM
snorkel stated: I can't believe the depths of ignorance and bias this site has fallen into. A couple of years ago most of the angry white geezers left punaweb to form their own ill fated puna online. After a period of mutual grumbling, they faded into obscurity (I guess; who goes there?).
Ironically, punaweb has become puna online. What was once an interesting, humorous, helpful venue to exchange ideas and information has become a snivel room
This part of the entire post I agree with. The balance, not so much, with due respect, knowing the intent for "levity" in this volatile issue.
Personally, (with ohana on both sides, again) none have stated anyone is "pooping" on Mauna a Wakea, neither protestors nor visitors that we know of. If there is hard proof of this action, please post the source and evidence, as those who violate not just American law, but basic human decency, should be taken to task.
Further, the meeting held last week between UH/DNLR/Gov. Office, of which the information I get is from the source ("na na I ke kumu", means "look to the source") the plan is to discredit the protestors, and "claim" they are pooping all over, throwing rocks on the road, building walls, etc. Thus, the road must be closed due to "safety". With the current information, I have received, I call BS. Below is a video taken yesterday, of the road being clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS3xAmKgFfI&feature=player_embedded
Now, when a UH official states (from their mouth to my ear) that we need to show the protestors are "desecrating" the mountain with crap (literally), I say prove it.
If any of you have, again, hard proof of this action by protestors, please post it here, and I will forward accordingly. There are only a handful there since the last big showing.
There is HEWA on both sides, and FACTS need to be separated from pure fiction, rumor, and innuendo; from both sides.
BTW, for what it's worth, the protestors of my ohana have an extremely good relationship with the Mr. Tom's of the mountain. Their issue is with TMT. I still maintain, this is not all about TMT, as stated before.
There is balance somewhere, and our ohana continues to strive for that balance.
Akua be with us all, and provide strength and guidance, protection, and most important, wisdom.
Aloha to all.
JMO.
Ironically, punaweb has become puna online. What was once an interesting, humorous, helpful venue to exchange ideas and information has become a snivel room
This part of the entire post I agree with. The balance, not so much, with due respect, knowing the intent for "levity" in this volatile issue.
Personally, (with ohana on both sides, again) none have stated anyone is "pooping" on Mauna a Wakea, neither protestors nor visitors that we know of. If there is hard proof of this action, please post the source and evidence, as those who violate not just American law, but basic human decency, should be taken to task.
Further, the meeting held last week between UH/DNLR/Gov. Office, of which the information I get is from the source ("na na I ke kumu", means "look to the source") the plan is to discredit the protestors, and "claim" they are pooping all over, throwing rocks on the road, building walls, etc. Thus, the road must be closed due to "safety". With the current information, I have received, I call BS. Below is a video taken yesterday, of the road being clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS3xAmKgFfI&feature=player_embedded
Now, when a UH official states (from their mouth to my ear) that we need to show the protestors are "desecrating" the mountain with crap (literally), I say prove it.
If any of you have, again, hard proof of this action by protestors, please post it here, and I will forward accordingly. There are only a handful there since the last big showing.
There is HEWA on both sides, and FACTS need to be separated from pure fiction, rumor, and innuendo; from both sides.
BTW, for what it's worth, the protestors of my ohana have an extremely good relationship with the Mr. Tom's of the mountain. Their issue is with TMT. I still maintain, this is not all about TMT, as stated before.
There is balance somewhere, and our ohana continues to strive for that balance.
Akua be with us all, and provide strength and guidance, protection, and most important, wisdom.
Aloha to all.
JMO.