07-24-2015, 07:57 PM
Crickets, Mr. Tom? (Rhetoric question) I hear my Kupuna, nothing else.
Well, maybe y'all need to hear more than crickets. I'm going to have a hot toddy reading back a few days on PW. Geeze. Aloha, Pam, however, respectfully disagree with telescope developers/operators not "making ends meet". Makes no sense; no one operates without gain of some sort, even "non-profit" organizations like TMT. Hope you feel better soon (sorry all, OT, but I do care that she gets well).
For those who continue to discount the Hawaiian people, and our land, pay close attention. There are things going on behind those perverbial "closed doors" (that's what y'all call it, right?) that you people better be ready for.
Additionally, on another thread there is discussion of "divide", and the one person accused of causing divide (dakine, accused by Mr. Tom, with due respect, again) is not the sole cause. (Link and quote below for reference
http://punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?whichpage=4&TOPIC_ID=21273#223375
Dakine wrote:
"I think that line fits perfectly with the way the pro TMT crowd on PW goes on about the Hawaiians."
(Mr. Tom wrote):
PW is a collection of individuals with their own opinions. Nice how you now try to create a divide. I'm obviously pro-TMT, so perhaps you'd like to provide examples of how I keep going on about the Hawaiians?
There are many here who blatantly contribute to "divide", as "pro-TMT" people. Punaweb is manini representation of the "majority". Very manini. In fact, the joking about this is insulting, and the misinformation is also insulting as hell.
If the voices of the Hawaiian people are indeed heard (nothing, to date, has ever considered the majority of our people. It is the perverbial SOP), common ground can be achieved. However, the line drawn in the sand, as it were, will not move with the wind. Both sides, to my knowledge, are not going to "stand down". Very concerned.
In reading the continued dismissal of what some of us feel is of importance, it contributes to the "divide". We are on the brink of a very tenuous situation, as I watched one of my cousins (The oldest fat guy with DLNR) serve papers to my other cousin (Sam Keliihoomalu, Uncle Robert's son) from Kalapana today. Very concerned for all of our people. (*See video below; there are other videos out there which show really poor form on the part of DLNR. Not going to post it here. Disappointing, to say the least)
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2015/0...mauna-kea/
Chunkster, I hear you. Loud and clear, and mahalo you for being up front without snide, condescending, downright disrespectful comments. Aloha to you.
kalakoa, the irony is indeed astounding. The laws are astounding. The manipulation of law is astounding. I'm beginning to see why your posts are of one vein, as it were. Kudos.
Both sides need to come to middle ground, or this will get very ugly (for lack of a better word). Helped serve dinner a few nights ago to both protectors and DLNR ohana, with a heavy heart. To read what is posted here, shows the lack of any kind of empathy, compassion, and effort towards resolution.
Shameful. Hilahila.
E Pele E, noho nani mai. Sure wish Tutu Pele could solve this dilemma prior to the "divide" of our entire community, and the "State" of Hawai'i. Perhaps she will. Mother stated,"I'm curious to see if Kamapua'a will allow Pele to visit him, given this latest development." To some of you that means absolutely nothing. For us, it was a very good question, the answer is yet to be seen.
FWIW. Mother is very wise, kupuna status.
SMH/JMO.
P.S. Mr. Tom, re: Security truck and the person walking up to the summit that got hit (reported in the news as a "hit and run"). If that driver told you the young man tried to "punch" the rear view mirror of the truck, that is a big, fat, LIE. Didn't want to call you on it before, however, you need to know, it was not the case, Sir. Seen the police report, talked to the officers who took the report, and the driver admitted to hitting/clipping him, and not stopping. The young man now has a case against the driver, his employer, and also has a lawyer to file damages, not for money (dead Presidents on paper is not what he wants; he wants an apology, that is all). Just setting the record straight, as I understand it.
P.S.S. I actually miss ironyak, at this point, and a few others who had decent dissertations. Even "KathyH" and "RJ Hampton", along with the respected "Carol", are among those who contributed to discussion without the downright "ugly" that permeates this forum today. Mahalo to those who continue to hold that basic sense of "aloha" in your posts.
God (Akua) be with us all in this trying time.
Lava. (Also means, Pau. [])
ETA: Link for reference to the "divide" comment.
Well, maybe y'all need to hear more than crickets. I'm going to have a hot toddy reading back a few days on PW. Geeze. Aloha, Pam, however, respectfully disagree with telescope developers/operators not "making ends meet". Makes no sense; no one operates without gain of some sort, even "non-profit" organizations like TMT. Hope you feel better soon (sorry all, OT, but I do care that she gets well).
For those who continue to discount the Hawaiian people, and our land, pay close attention. There are things going on behind those perverbial "closed doors" (that's what y'all call it, right?) that you people better be ready for.
Additionally, on another thread there is discussion of "divide", and the one person accused of causing divide (dakine, accused by Mr. Tom, with due respect, again) is not the sole cause. (Link and quote below for reference
http://punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?whichpage=4&TOPIC_ID=21273#223375
Dakine wrote:
"I think that line fits perfectly with the way the pro TMT crowd on PW goes on about the Hawaiians."
(Mr. Tom wrote):
PW is a collection of individuals with their own opinions. Nice how you now try to create a divide. I'm obviously pro-TMT, so perhaps you'd like to provide examples of how I keep going on about the Hawaiians?
There are many here who blatantly contribute to "divide", as "pro-TMT" people. Punaweb is manini representation of the "majority". Very manini. In fact, the joking about this is insulting, and the misinformation is also insulting as hell.
If the voices of the Hawaiian people are indeed heard (nothing, to date, has ever considered the majority of our people. It is the perverbial SOP), common ground can be achieved. However, the line drawn in the sand, as it were, will not move with the wind. Both sides, to my knowledge, are not going to "stand down". Very concerned.
In reading the continued dismissal of what some of us feel is of importance, it contributes to the "divide". We are on the brink of a very tenuous situation, as I watched one of my cousins (The oldest fat guy with DLNR) serve papers to my other cousin (Sam Keliihoomalu, Uncle Robert's son) from Kalapana today. Very concerned for all of our people. (*See video below; there are other videos out there which show really poor form on the part of DLNR. Not going to post it here. Disappointing, to say the least)
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2015/0...mauna-kea/
Chunkster, I hear you. Loud and clear, and mahalo you for being up front without snide, condescending, downright disrespectful comments. Aloha to you.
kalakoa, the irony is indeed astounding. The laws are astounding. The manipulation of law is astounding. I'm beginning to see why your posts are of one vein, as it were. Kudos.
Both sides need to come to middle ground, or this will get very ugly (for lack of a better word). Helped serve dinner a few nights ago to both protectors and DLNR ohana, with a heavy heart. To read what is posted here, shows the lack of any kind of empathy, compassion, and effort towards resolution.
Shameful. Hilahila.
E Pele E, noho nani mai. Sure wish Tutu Pele could solve this dilemma prior to the "divide" of our entire community, and the "State" of Hawai'i. Perhaps she will. Mother stated,"I'm curious to see if Kamapua'a will allow Pele to visit him, given this latest development." To some of you that means absolutely nothing. For us, it was a very good question, the answer is yet to be seen.
FWIW. Mother is very wise, kupuna status.
SMH/JMO.
P.S. Mr. Tom, re: Security truck and the person walking up to the summit that got hit (reported in the news as a "hit and run"). If that driver told you the young man tried to "punch" the rear view mirror of the truck, that is a big, fat, LIE. Didn't want to call you on it before, however, you need to know, it was not the case, Sir. Seen the police report, talked to the officers who took the report, and the driver admitted to hitting/clipping him, and not stopping. The young man now has a case against the driver, his employer, and also has a lawyer to file damages, not for money (dead Presidents on paper is not what he wants; he wants an apology, that is all). Just setting the record straight, as I understand it.
P.S.S. I actually miss ironyak, at this point, and a few others who had decent dissertations. Even "KathyH" and "RJ Hampton", along with the respected "Carol", are among those who contributed to discussion without the downright "ugly" that permeates this forum today. Mahalo to those who continue to hold that basic sense of "aloha" in your posts.
God (Akua) be with us all in this trying time.
Lava. (Also means, Pau. [
]) ETA: Link for reference to the "divide" comment.