07-27-2015, 06:44 AM
FYI: Use this at board or general membership meetings, it's your right and members' checks and balances.
Robert's Rule of Order 11th Edition, Chapter VIII Incidental Motions
P. 247 "POINT OF ORDER. When a member thinks that the rules of the assembly are being violated, he can make a Point of Order (or raise a question of order, as it is sometimes expressed) thereby calling upon the chair for ruling and an enforcement of the regular rules."
P 249-251.
"A Point of Order:
3. Is in order when another has the floor, even interrupting a person speaking or reading a report if the point genuinely requires attention at such a time (see Timeliness Requirements for a Point of Order, below)
4. Does not require a second.
5. Is not debatable, but, with the chair's consent, a member may be permitted to explain his point and knowledgeable or interested members can be heard by way of explanation.
6. Is not amendable.
7. Is normally ruled upon by the chair. No vote is taken unless the chair is in doubt or his ruling is appealed.
8. Cannot be reconsidered.
Further Rules and Explanation
"GROUNDS FOR A POINT OF ORDER. It is the right of every member who notices a breach of the rules to insist on their enforcement. If the chair notices a breach, he corrects the matter immediately; but if he fails to do so through oversight or otherwise- any member can make the appropriate Point of Order. The presiding officer may wish to engage in brief research or consult with the parliamentarian before ruling, and may allow the assembly to stand at ease (see p. 82) while he does so. In any event, when the presiding officer has made a ruling, any two members can appeal (one making the appeal and the other seconding it), as described in 24.
If a member is uncertain as to whether there is a breach on which point of order can be made, he can make a parliamentary inquiry of the chair (see pp 293-94) etc....."
TIMELINESS REQUIREMENT FOR A POINT OF ORDER. If a question or order is to be raised, it must be raised promptly at the time the breach occurs. For example, if the chair is stating the question on a motion that has not been seconded, or on a motion that is out of order in the existing parliamentarian situation, the time to raise these points of order is when the chair states the motion. After debate on such a motion has begun, no matter how clearly out of order the motion may be, a point of order is too late....." (This is also why it's important for the board to be heard using their mics during board meetings)
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At the last board meeting, members calling a Point of Order was appropriate and correct. It was done loud but respectful. Without a mic, to be heard you have to speak loudly. Some board members thought it a disruptive act and disregarded the explanation that there was a motion still on the floor from the previous membership meeting. Even after two points of order being called by 2 diff members, they still were going to proceed. The only reason they didn't proceed was because the treasurer commented that there didn't seem to be any logic in spending more money to even pave one road w/chip seal if the GM was exploring a different product. It was then the motion was rescinded.
A member viciously yelled, "Shut up!!!" towards a member saying Point of Order, and should've been given a warning for her outburst. No member behaving inappropriately should have a pass card bc she's a friend of the VP and former Pres RM.
Robert's Rule of Order 11th Edition, Chapter VIII Incidental Motions
P. 247 "POINT OF ORDER. When a member thinks that the rules of the assembly are being violated, he can make a Point of Order (or raise a question of order, as it is sometimes expressed) thereby calling upon the chair for ruling and an enforcement of the regular rules."
P 249-251.
"A Point of Order:
3. Is in order when another has the floor, even interrupting a person speaking or reading a report if the point genuinely requires attention at such a time (see Timeliness Requirements for a Point of Order, below)
4. Does not require a second.
5. Is not debatable, but, with the chair's consent, a member may be permitted to explain his point and knowledgeable or interested members can be heard by way of explanation.
6. Is not amendable.
7. Is normally ruled upon by the chair. No vote is taken unless the chair is in doubt or his ruling is appealed.
8. Cannot be reconsidered.
Further Rules and Explanation
"GROUNDS FOR A POINT OF ORDER. It is the right of every member who notices a breach of the rules to insist on their enforcement. If the chair notices a breach, he corrects the matter immediately; but if he fails to do so through oversight or otherwise- any member can make the appropriate Point of Order. The presiding officer may wish to engage in brief research or consult with the parliamentarian before ruling, and may allow the assembly to stand at ease (see p. 82) while he does so. In any event, when the presiding officer has made a ruling, any two members can appeal (one making the appeal and the other seconding it), as described in 24.
If a member is uncertain as to whether there is a breach on which point of order can be made, he can make a parliamentary inquiry of the chair (see pp 293-94) etc....."
TIMELINESS REQUIREMENT FOR A POINT OF ORDER. If a question or order is to be raised, it must be raised promptly at the time the breach occurs. For example, if the chair is stating the question on a motion that has not been seconded, or on a motion that is out of order in the existing parliamentarian situation, the time to raise these points of order is when the chair states the motion. After debate on such a motion has begun, no matter how clearly out of order the motion may be, a point of order is too late....." (This is also why it's important for the board to be heard using their mics during board meetings)
_________________________________
At the last board meeting, members calling a Point of Order was appropriate and correct. It was done loud but respectful. Without a mic, to be heard you have to speak loudly. Some board members thought it a disruptive act and disregarded the explanation that there was a motion still on the floor from the previous membership meeting. Even after two points of order being called by 2 diff members, they still were going to proceed. The only reason they didn't proceed was because the treasurer commented that there didn't seem to be any logic in spending more money to even pave one road w/chip seal if the GM was exploring a different product. It was then the motion was rescinded.
A member viciously yelled, "Shut up!!!" towards a member saying Point of Order, and should've been given a warning for her outburst. No member behaving inappropriately should have a pass card bc she's a friend of the VP and former Pres RM.