08-12-2015, 02:59 AM
Tommy said: Still waiting for dakine's forecast. I doubt we'll see one...
OMG Tommy boy, you really are unsettled eh?
All I originally said was:
I get a sense these models don't know about Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea
Which in no way implied that I was forecasting anything or that the mountains would play a large role in Hilda's path.. but rather that I do not see any evidence in all the modeling that the substantial land mass of our island is taken into consideration at all. And yes Tommy, storms can not go through a mountain, but must go around. The trades bend brah.. wind is malleable. Circular weather patterns get busted up or deflected but can not maintain their centrifugal pattern in close proximity to Hawaii Island. Ino said it very clearly:
We have by a factor of 10 the longest island wake effect (sometimes up to 3,000 kilometers) found on Earth. Since wind cannot go through rock they deflect to go around. This fact guarantees that any storm coming in off the ocean on the Big Island or Maui will be deflected by the huge rocks in a flat ocean.
Another way to think of it is winds do not blow but are more correctly considered to be sucked in by low pressure. The counter clockwise motion of a tropical storm system tells you exactly where you are in relation to the vortex. Trades are winds that are sucked into the almost constant low pressure South of Hawaii from high pressure North of Hawaii.
Easy to see these mountains had a huge effect on Iselle. It was fighting shear on it's way here weakening but still organized on the relatively flat ocean and it appeared to me that it tried to avoid the mountains by diving under the Big Island and then in kinda of a dead spot in the lee of Mauna Loa, the back of the vortex spun in right over Pahala, after skipping over Kapoho. Then up and over the flanks of of Mauna Loa and back out to sea to dissipate completely in less than 200 miles.
And yes that line, Easy to see these mountains had a huge effect on Iselle. says it all. But somehow the modelers haven't found a way to include this into their projections. Instead at one point in the last few days Hilda was going to go right through us, without any bend, any deflection, any sudden change caused by the land, being expressed in the projected paths.
That's all I was suggesting, and Ino got it and spelled it out clearly. But somehow you got your panties all twisted in a knot. With all your dakine's a wannabe blah blah blah. Is all that really necessary? helpful? Or are you just having a bad hair day? Need a vacation? Or feel your status is bolstered by making snide comments about others you deem beneath you? Whatever it is I hope it's serving to enrich your life.
OMG Tommy boy, you really are unsettled eh?
All I originally said was:
I get a sense these models don't know about Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea
Which in no way implied that I was forecasting anything or that the mountains would play a large role in Hilda's path.. but rather that I do not see any evidence in all the modeling that the substantial land mass of our island is taken into consideration at all. And yes Tommy, storms can not go through a mountain, but must go around. The trades bend brah.. wind is malleable. Circular weather patterns get busted up or deflected but can not maintain their centrifugal pattern in close proximity to Hawaii Island. Ino said it very clearly:
We have by a factor of 10 the longest island wake effect (sometimes up to 3,000 kilometers) found on Earth. Since wind cannot go through rock they deflect to go around. This fact guarantees that any storm coming in off the ocean on the Big Island or Maui will be deflected by the huge rocks in a flat ocean.
Another way to think of it is winds do not blow but are more correctly considered to be sucked in by low pressure. The counter clockwise motion of a tropical storm system tells you exactly where you are in relation to the vortex. Trades are winds that are sucked into the almost constant low pressure South of Hawaii from high pressure North of Hawaii.
Easy to see these mountains had a huge effect on Iselle. It was fighting shear on it's way here weakening but still organized on the relatively flat ocean and it appeared to me that it tried to avoid the mountains by diving under the Big Island and then in kinda of a dead spot in the lee of Mauna Loa, the back of the vortex spun in right over Pahala, after skipping over Kapoho. Then up and over the flanks of of Mauna Loa and back out to sea to dissipate completely in less than 200 miles.
And yes that line, Easy to see these mountains had a huge effect on Iselle. says it all. But somehow the modelers haven't found a way to include this into their projections. Instead at one point in the last few days Hilda was going to go right through us, without any bend, any deflection, any sudden change caused by the land, being expressed in the projected paths.
That's all I was suggesting, and Ino got it and spelled it out clearly. But somehow you got your panties all twisted in a knot. With all your dakine's a wannabe blah blah blah. Is all that really necessary? helpful? Or are you just having a bad hair day? Need a vacation? Or feel your status is bolstered by making snide comments about others you deem beneath you? Whatever it is I hope it's serving to enrich your life.