08-23-2015, 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by opihikao
quote:MISSIONARIES. (BBM) Not the ohana. That's pure BS. Please.
Originally posted by Mtviewdude
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Again, some were beaten for speaking our language, and worse. (ie. Massie case, etc.)
I want to know who was doing the beatings to those speaking Hawaiian.
From what I have heard, it wasn't roving bands of white people finding people speaking Hawaiian, it was mostly ohana who wanted their kin to learn to speak english.
I really want to know or where I can find out more, because it keeps getting thrown out their as a symbol of oppression.
Research, MVD. Google is a great tool; and make sure you use good "key words" like "Beaten for speaking Hawaiian language", Bishop Museum documents, Iolani Palace documents, Kamehameha School/Bishop Estate documents, etc. It is there.
Don't take my word for it, via my Kupuna (who were beaten in schools for trying to teach children who didn't understand English). No denying it then, nor in this day and age. It is pure truth. Our language was banned. Further, I would NEVER question what Kupuna told me, and they had no "links" to prove the tale. They did not need it. The Kupuna word was "gold". In essence, you're looking for a "link" or proof, whereas, my "proof" lies in Kupuna mouth to my ear.
Back to your question: It is the way of the "conqueror", in any situation (although, the "Code Talkers" were valued by the great USofA, as an aside).
1) Take away communication (language, in our case)
2) Take control of land
3) "Strong arm" and divide a people (ie. a few carrots to those who "bite", in the vernacular).
The "Art of War", as it were. Very basic. For most of you who were raised elsewhere, it also applies to those of us who were raised here.
Now, shall we change the title of this thread, since it's gone off on another tangent? With due respect, if the question was asked in honest "wanting to know".
Back to topic, so....no one cares about my dissertation about freaking people squatting on our land? How about the knife? Nobody cares? Obviously (rhetoric, don't bother answering).
Well, squatters are not part of the equation, and do not imbued sincere "standing of rights". A'ole. No way. [!]
JMOIO. (Just my old irritated opinion. At this point.)
Not ohana, my apologies, teachers.