08-26-2015, 04:50 AM
originally posted by seekir (me):
Response from Mtviewdude
I'm not among those who believe U.S. citizenship and statehood are bad for Hawaii or Hawaiians. I think Gonzales has the right take on this. As I've stated in other threads I believe that the geography and strategic value of the Hawaiian archipelago virtually dictated that it would be controlled or absorbed by some larger nation. Gonzale's seems to share this view, and also echoes my belief that the U.S. is probably by far the best option among the candidate nations for Hawaii to have affiliated itself with. None of that erases the facts of the history of the overthrow. It was carried out at the point of Marine guns and later declared illegal by President Cleveland. Hawaiians remember this. Nor does affiliation with the U.S. or the troubled status of certain other Pacific nation citizens negate or erase the difficulties faced by working people in the islands trying to make ends meet. The migration of U.S. wealth into the hands of the ultra-rich is well documented, as is control of the Senate, House, and the electoral process by monied lobbyists and corporate actors who are determined to manipulate the process. The "Citizens United" Supreme court decision adds to the deterioration of our representative government. Forty years ago working people were able to own homes and raise families here in the islands. The extraordinarily rapacious actions of those who see realty merely as a commodity and source of wealth have exacerbated the local effects of all these eventualities in a way that I can't help but see as extremely deleterious to the ordinary folks living here.
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t seems clear that many people in the islands are feeling hopeless in the face of the challenges they face trying to make a living and support their families. Conflict is probably an inevitable result of this sort of struggle. Gonzales points out that misinformation and hysteria make potential confrontation an even greater threat. Averting this kind of strife should be a focus of community effort in my view.
Response from Mtviewdude
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I guess I am struggling to see how Hawaii would be must better off, if it were an independent Kingdom than a US state. The children have better education, better access to healthcare, food and opportunities then their counterparts. Can someone please explain how the children would be better off?
I'm not among those who believe U.S. citizenship and statehood are bad for Hawaii or Hawaiians. I think Gonzales has the right take on this. As I've stated in other threads I believe that the geography and strategic value of the Hawaiian archipelago virtually dictated that it would be controlled or absorbed by some larger nation. Gonzale's seems to share this view, and also echoes my belief that the U.S. is probably by far the best option among the candidate nations for Hawaii to have affiliated itself with. None of that erases the facts of the history of the overthrow. It was carried out at the point of Marine guns and later declared illegal by President Cleveland. Hawaiians remember this. Nor does affiliation with the U.S. or the troubled status of certain other Pacific nation citizens negate or erase the difficulties faced by working people in the islands trying to make ends meet. The migration of U.S. wealth into the hands of the ultra-rich is well documented, as is control of the Senate, House, and the electoral process by monied lobbyists and corporate actors who are determined to manipulate the process. The "Citizens United" Supreme court decision adds to the deterioration of our representative government. Forty years ago working people were able to own homes and raise families here in the islands. The extraordinarily rapacious actions of those who see realty merely as a commodity and source of wealth have exacerbated the local effects of all these eventualities in a way that I can't help but see as extremely deleterious to the ordinary folks living here.