02-02-2016, 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by lquade
dear mike. please don't be 'shocked'. i never said i was against all vaccines. much of the name calling ( stupid, self absorbed, ninnies, etc) being done as always on punaweb. I am against mandatory vaccines and certain vaccines. I have had several, and gave my children several as they were growing up. But those vaccinations whose side effects are worse than the disease is a different matter. Many many doctors, scientists, other healthcare workers are against mandatory vaccinations. I don't know which medical journals you are referring to when you comment on the HPV vaccine. i would be interested in reading it. If you are fearful of the unvaccinated masses, what then is your stance on our open borders and letting refugees in from third world countries? It is interesting to me how people love to jump on a PC bandwagon. I am concerned that pharmaceutical companies flood our airways with this and that new drug that you need to take. Should the government start deciding meds you must take? suppose they want everyone with a cancer diagnosis to have chemo and radiation treatment. Mandate them? you might be interested in the data on how many doctors make that choice for themselves and their families... many of the medicines we take for granted went through some terrible times that the average person is not aware of. Look at the death numbers when the first birth control pills came out, or the HEP B vaccine that was given thousands of health care workers using Live Virus... OOPS! i could go on and on... i believe we should educate ourselves and make our own decisions about our bodies. You can all start your name calling now...
After reading this post I went back and looked for all this "name calling" you referred to, and frankly I just don't see it in this thread.
I do question the validity of this line of yours: "But those vaccinations whose side effects are worse than the disease is a different matter." Can you enlighten us on which currently required vaccines fall into this category? But please do not pull out the thoroughly debunked autism from vaccines myth. Eugene Oregon has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country for the last 30-40 years and is also one of the biggest hot spots for kids all over the autism spectrum, a large portion of whom were not vaccinated. I have a friend who is researching this for his public health PHD dissertation and Eugene totally messed up his data because so many unvaccinated kids there are on the spectrum.
I agree people should be able to make their own choices about their own bodies, until they endanger others. Typhoid Mary was a real person who refused to obey quarantine for her asymptomatic infectious disease, she was also exercising her "rights" but she caused a lot of pain, suffering and death for others. I know 3 different kids battling pediatric cancer who go to school here in Puna, does the right of a parent to not vaccinate their perfectly healthy child trump the right of those children who cannot get vaccinated to go to school safely?
As a society we have to think beyond our own little family cluster and sometimes that means doing things for the common good, instead of just looking out for own nuclear unit. I personally know people who raised children who were deaf, mentally retarded or crippled from getting rubella before there were vaccines available. I am so glad those days are over, as long as people get their kids vaccinated. If people had a little longer memories of what these diseases do they might think differently about the benefit/risk balance.