03-23-2016, 04:51 AM
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As far as having to spend $300-$400 for an aiir rifle that will group well at 25 yards, I'm not sure that's correct. I'll have to set up at 25 yards for my Crosman Custom Shop carbine. That's in .177 caliber, and is a CO2 gun. I do most of my shooting at 10-11 yards (because that's the distance I shoot rats at that go into our chicken coop). I can say that, every time I take that CO2 gun out and shoot targets, I am getting several groups measuring about as close to 0" center to center as it is possible to get. It's about an $85.00 airgun (not including the scope). These are still very reasonable, and I've had mine 5-6 years.
Also, bear in mind, that most airguns that come with a scope, that scope is extremely crappy. Most shooters toss that scope in the rubbish, and get something decent on day one. Also, inconsistent grouping can be caused by using a scope at airgun ranges (10-20-25 yards) that has a parralax setting for centerfire rifles (set at 100 yards). If your scope is set for 100 yard shooting and you are shooting an air rifle at 10 yards, you will have parralax related problems. Try a scope wit AO (adjustable objective) that can be set for 10 yards (or even less on some) and greater distances. I have found that some non-AO scopes can still be adjusted at the front lens by unscrewing the front most ring in front of the objective lens, viewing a target through the scope, and turning the next ring inside the scope tube in or out till the bullseye is in crisp focus, then reinstalling the front ring. Now your target is in focus. Then adjust the rear lens to get the crosshairs in crisp focus. Most scopes have an adjustable rear lens. The good things about AO scopes, is that you can quickly adjust them on the fly as your shooting distances change. There are decent AO scopes out there, like, say, a 4 power, for about $40.00, and that feature is well worth it. If parralax is off, first, the bullseye may be out of focus. Also, at the shooting bench you'll notice, when sight aligning, if you move your head slightly, the relationship between the crosshairs and the bullseye change drastically (go out of alignment as you move your head).
As I mentioned above, don't count a good CO2 rifle out, as pour climate here is ideal for CO2 use. Cold, mainland winters are the worst for CO2 use.
I'll test my $85.00 CO2 shooter at 25 yards soon, and see how the accuracy holds up. My eyesight isn't good, as I'm 62 years old with cataracts, astigmatism, and not good vision for distance OR reading. That gun, to my delight, has an affinity for inexpensive Crosman pointed pellets. But at longer distances, it's likely the accuracy will fall apart worse than some premium pellets that I can't buy here.
For the original poster, if you buy a pellet gun that will shoot pellets AND BB's (such as the Croamsn 2100B multi-pump), do not shoot BB's in that airgun, as most shooters agree that they can damage the rifling and then degrade the accuracy with pellets. You are never going to get anything like an accurate group anyway shooting BB's. If you want to shoot BB's, get a cheap smooth bore (Crosman 760 for example) and have at it. Expect 3-4 inch groups at 10 yards, while a good rifled pellet rifle is capable of 1/4" center to center, and even 0" center to center sometimes. BB's are for shooting tin cans. A good shot with a pellet rifle can shoot flies at 10 yards (hence the "Bugbuster" scopes).
Jon in Keaau/HPP
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As far as having to spend $300-$400 for an aiir rifle that will group well at 25 yards, I'm not sure that's correct. I'll have to set up at 25 yards for my Crosman Custom Shop carbine. That's in .177 caliber, and is a CO2 gun. I do most of my shooting at 10-11 yards (because that's the distance I shoot rats at that go into our chicken coop). I can say that, every time I take that CO2 gun out and shoot targets, I am getting several groups measuring about as close to 0" center to center as it is possible to get. It's about an $85.00 airgun (not including the scope). These are still very reasonable, and I've had mine 5-6 years.
Also, bear in mind, that most airguns that come with a scope, that scope is extremely crappy. Most shooters toss that scope in the rubbish, and get something decent on day one. Also, inconsistent grouping can be caused by using a scope at airgun ranges (10-20-25 yards) that has a parralax setting for centerfire rifles (set at 100 yards). If your scope is set for 100 yard shooting and you are shooting an air rifle at 10 yards, you will have parralax related problems. Try a scope wit AO (adjustable objective) that can be set for 10 yards (or even less on some) and greater distances. I have found that some non-AO scopes can still be adjusted at the front lens by unscrewing the front most ring in front of the objective lens, viewing a target through the scope, and turning the next ring inside the scope tube in or out till the bullseye is in crisp focus, then reinstalling the front ring. Now your target is in focus. Then adjust the rear lens to get the crosshairs in crisp focus. Most scopes have an adjustable rear lens. The good things about AO scopes, is that you can quickly adjust them on the fly as your shooting distances change. There are decent AO scopes out there, like, say, a 4 power, for about $40.00, and that feature is well worth it. If parralax is off, first, the bullseye may be out of focus. Also, at the shooting bench you'll notice, when sight aligning, if you move your head slightly, the relationship between the crosshairs and the bullseye change drastically (go out of alignment as you move your head).
As I mentioned above, don't count a good CO2 rifle out, as pour climate here is ideal for CO2 use. Cold, mainland winters are the worst for CO2 use.
I'll test my $85.00 CO2 shooter at 25 yards soon, and see how the accuracy holds up. My eyesight isn't good, as I'm 62 years old with cataracts, astigmatism, and not good vision for distance OR reading. That gun, to my delight, has an affinity for inexpensive Crosman pointed pellets. But at longer distances, it's likely the accuracy will fall apart worse than some premium pellets that I can't buy here.
For the original poster, if you buy a pellet gun that will shoot pellets AND BB's (such as the Croamsn 2100B multi-pump), do not shoot BB's in that airgun, as most shooters agree that they can damage the rifling and then degrade the accuracy with pellets. You are never going to get anything like an accurate group anyway shooting BB's. If you want to shoot BB's, get a cheap smooth bore (Crosman 760 for example) and have at it. Expect 3-4 inch groups at 10 yards, while a good rifled pellet rifle is capable of 1/4" center to center, and even 0" center to center sometimes. BB's are for shooting tin cans. A good shot with a pellet rifle can shoot flies at 10 yards (hence the "Bugbuster" scopes).
Jon in Keaau/HPP
Jon in Keaau/HPP