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Court remands TMT sublease
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Originally posted by dakine

Maybe there's still time to get (at least some of) the TMT issues onto the ballot -- although in practice, I'm sure someone would find a way to nitpick the procedural issues right back into court.

What's to get on the ballot? DLNR broke the rules. That's pretty clear to me. And a large group of people do not want the TMT built on Mauna Kea (MK) so they got caught. But hey, DLNR will hold their hearing and the issue will be aired in depth again and we’ll see. Are you really suggesting we govern land use via the popular vote?

I think the fact that the TMT organization is considering a broader range of sites is great though I suspect it's more to put pressure on DLNR than a sincere effort to find an alternative. Conversely I suspect that India is a good site, even though our resident telescope administrator says otherwise I suspect it’s a good location with a lot of attributes. If the TMT were to be built there it could lead to an entirely new astronomy center on the planet. What would be wrong with that? Sure there is less infrastructure there than on MK, but that’s just a matter of installing it. After all there was a time not too long ago when there wasn’t any power on MK and all the scopes were ran on generators, when there wasn’t any pavement, even a real road to the summit isn’t that old. So why begrudge India having a center also? Because haoles don’t want to live in India? Yeah well, they’ll figure that out. Sure the grunts will have to be there but for the most part I‘m confident the actual researchers will be able to work remotely.

With respect, dakine, (BBM) the BLNR screwed up. Throw in the State and the UH, combined with the protectors/protestors who exercised rights under both American and Kingdom law (FWIW), we are now here. The Supreme Court has ruled. The Third Circuit Court has sent this back to BLNR.

Good Lord, we are in an election year, so this will be a "hot topic", unless the politicians have no gumption.

It is my firm belief (again) the TMT is not the core of the issue, yet, is being made a catalyst for several challenges this State/Federal Government/etc. (all of us) faces.

"We the people" should have input given the guidelines put forth by government. Conservation land has certain requirements and restrictions. Put it up for vote is a great idea; the results may be surprising. There should be a box for "support with conditions".

Failed past management of Mauna Kea (UH/DLNR admitted the same, and State Auditor Reports) adds to the chaos. Then, throw in politics and WTH does Puna (or other communities) get out of all this? (Rhetoric; I know the TMT is spending educational dollars, etc.)

Many, many things are forthcoming, none of which are set in stone.
What is right will hopefully be the end result.

Mahalo ke Akua, e na Aumakua, e na Kupuna.

JMO.

ETA: Typo, sorry, need my glasses.[xx(]
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Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-12-2016, 06:01 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Punatic007 - 03-14-2016, 05:19 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ericlp - 03-14-2016, 07:49 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by birdmove - 03-14-2016, 02:06 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-14-2016, 02:40 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-14-2016, 03:56 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 03-14-2016, 04:48 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-14-2016, 05:01 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-14-2016, 07:34 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 03-15-2016, 12:57 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ericlp - 03-15-2016, 04:53 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-15-2016, 05:29 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by SBH - 03-17-2016, 10:07 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Tink - 03-17-2016, 01:40 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by MarkP - 03-17-2016, 01:56 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-17-2016, 04:45 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-17-2016, 07:04 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-17-2016, 08:19 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Tink - 03-18-2016, 01:53 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-18-2016, 03:25 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dmbwest - 03-18-2016, 03:44 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-18-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dmbwest - 03-18-2016, 09:10 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-18-2016, 09:18 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dmbwest - 03-18-2016, 10:26 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Tink - 03-19-2016, 02:58 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dmbwest - 03-19-2016, 09:25 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-21-2016, 04:42 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-22-2016, 05:09 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 03-22-2016, 05:10 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-22-2016, 06:04 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Chunkster - 03-22-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dmbwest - 03-22-2016, 08:15 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 03-22-2016, 10:42 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-23-2016, 02:55 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ericlp - 03-23-2016, 03:45 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by EightFingers - 03-23-2016, 08:26 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by terracore - 03-23-2016, 12:00 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-23-2016, 03:55 PM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-23-2016, 04:44 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-23-2016, 05:31 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-23-2016, 06:38 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ericlp - 03-24-2016, 05:54 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-24-2016, 06:14 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dmbwest - 03-24-2016, 07:46 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ericlp - 03-24-2016, 09:36 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-25-2016, 08:49 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ericlp - 03-25-2016, 09:32 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-25-2016, 09:33 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Punababa - 03-26-2016, 04:13 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-26-2016, 05:41 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-27-2016, 04:04 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-27-2016, 10:17 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 03-28-2016, 03:24 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-28-2016, 04:26 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-28-2016, 05:23 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 03-28-2016, 09:25 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-28-2016, 04:44 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-28-2016, 06:20 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-28-2016, 09:05 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-28-2016, 09:33 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-29-2016, 02:56 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Justin - 03-29-2016, 03:49 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-29-2016, 04:02 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dw12345 - 03-29-2016, 02:41 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 03-29-2016, 03:33 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 03-29-2016, 03:37 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-29-2016, 04:22 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 03-29-2016, 04:33 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-29-2016, 07:22 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-30-2016, 07:39 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Justin - 03-30-2016, 08:04 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-30-2016, 08:59 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 03-30-2016, 11:02 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-30-2016, 04:15 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by dmbwest - 03-30-2016, 05:13 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-30-2016, 08:34 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 03-31-2016, 12:03 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ironyak - 03-31-2016, 01:03 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 03-31-2016, 02:51 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 03-31-2016, 10:23 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-01-2016, 07:28 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by ericlp - 04-01-2016, 10:56 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 04-03-2016, 02:20 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-05-2016, 09:11 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 04-06-2016, 05:41 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-06-2016, 06:04 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 04-06-2016, 06:11 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-06-2016, 06:21 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 04-06-2016, 06:22 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-06-2016, 07:05 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 04-06-2016, 04:00 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-06-2016, 10:48 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 04-07-2016, 03:02 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-07-2016, 03:38 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Tink - 04-09-2016, 09:51 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-09-2016, 07:15 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-11-2016, 06:26 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-19-2016, 06:11 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by leilanidude - 04-20-2016, 02:53 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-20-2016, 03:12 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 04-20-2016, 08:31 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-20-2016, 09:03 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-20-2016, 06:58 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-21-2016, 03:46 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-21-2016, 04:53 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-21-2016, 06:01 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-21-2016, 07:19 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-26-2016, 06:09 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 04-27-2016, 03:27 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-27-2016, 03:50 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-27-2016, 07:37 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by oink - 04-28-2016, 04:28 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 04-28-2016, 04:44 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 04-28-2016, 05:27 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 04-28-2016, 05:14 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 04-29-2016, 04:46 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-02-2016, 06:43 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-02-2016, 09:21 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-02-2016, 09:01 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Tink - 05-03-2016, 02:26 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-03-2016, 04:56 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-03-2016, 05:00 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-03-2016, 05:25 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-03-2016, 05:13 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-03-2016, 06:20 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-03-2016, 06:45 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-04-2016, 04:08 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-06-2016, 06:27 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-07-2016, 05:54 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-08-2016, 02:35 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-20-2016, 05:51 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-21-2016, 03:37 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-21-2016, 01:11 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-21-2016, 04:56 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-21-2016, 08:41 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-22-2016, 05:57 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-22-2016, 11:45 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-22-2016, 03:54 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-22-2016, 04:14 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-22-2016, 05:37 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-22-2016, 07:21 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-23-2016, 02:51 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-23-2016, 03:03 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-24-2016, 01:30 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-24-2016, 04:11 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-24-2016, 04:25 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-24-2016, 04:32 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-24-2016, 05:10 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-24-2016, 05:22 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-24-2016, 06:43 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by pahoated - 05-25-2016, 03:07 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-25-2016, 03:24 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-25-2016, 03:58 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-25-2016, 04:42 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-25-2016, 04:58 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-25-2016, 05:46 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-25-2016, 06:46 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-25-2016, 07:20 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-25-2016, 08:32 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-26-2016, 03:03 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-26-2016, 05:36 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-26-2016, 06:02 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 05-26-2016, 06:05 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-26-2016, 06:16 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by TomK - 05-26-2016, 06:26 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 05-26-2016, 06:51 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-27-2016, 03:16 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-27-2016, 04:29 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by pahoated - 05-27-2016, 05:49 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-27-2016, 08:10 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-27-2016, 08:18 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by kalakoa - 05-27-2016, 08:32 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 05-28-2016, 01:17 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by opihikao - 05-28-2016, 04:20 PM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by MarkP - 05-29-2016, 04:42 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PaulW - 05-29-2016, 06:34 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 05-29-2016, 07:00 AM
RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by PunaMauka2 - 05-31-2016, 06:48 AM
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RE: Court remands TMT sublease - by Guest - 06-03-2016, 04:37 PM
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