05-08-2016, 05:07 PM
Mark, springers can be very maddening for sure. My two are.
On the subject of PCP's, a few things. First, Crosman is very soon going to have a new one called the Maximus, and it will be a lower pressure one. This means, you can get the special PCP air pump, and easily pump it up. The Maximus will be similiar to the Discovery, but with a synthetic stock. You would have to buy the pump too, as a regular tire pump will not go high enough. The Maximus should be under $200 once it hits the market, from Amazon.
Here is another option: http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=56
Here is a good review of an owner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXcMs9lJzI
Flying Dragon is very highly thought of at the Gateway To Airguns forum, and a gent named Mike Mellick os the owner.
The lower pressure PCP air rifles, the Ctosman Discovery, the new Maximus, and the Flying Dragon, are all lower pressure airguns. All are easily pumped up via the hand pump. These guns are getting like 20 shots before refilling. That is not shooting it till it's empty, but shooting it till the velocity lowers to the point that the pellets are dropping too far.
Flying Dragon has the same basic air rifle that is powered by two 12 gram CO2 canisters for $120. Here it is:
http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=55
If a CO2 gun would be something you might be interested in, there is the (now under the Beeman name) QB78 and QB78 deluxe:
http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-qb78-d...rifle.html
http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-qb78-air-rifle.html
These also, run on two CO2 cans, but, on any airgun that uses two, if you only want to shoot, say 40-45 shots, put in one full CO2 can, and one empty one, and they will work fine.
There is also the Umarex Fusion CO2 shooter. I have a Crosmam 1077 12 shot repeater, but the accuracy isn't the best, mostly due to a terrible trigger. And, that trigger will always be a rough one, as the trigger pull also advances the 12 round clip, cocks the gun, and fires it. It runs on one CO2 can, and
, I think these are going for about $70 on Amazon. The repeating aspect is nice. I can shoot this one better than my springers though, but just not as well as my best shooters.
Walmart has the best price by far on CO2 powerlets in the 12 gram size. Sports Authority is too high, as is everyone else here.
Note that, you can buy the Flying Dragon CO2 air rifle, and then get the "filler cap", that goes on the end of the air chamber, and then you have a PCP airgun. Here is that filler cap:
http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=62
You would, if you use that filler cap and go PCP, still need the special air pump. Set up like this, you would get fewer shots per fill, as when Mike converts this gun to PCP, he extends the pressure chamber, which you wouldn't have with the CO2 gun and filler cap. I don't know how many shots per fill with the gun set up like this. But, you would have two options. 1. Shoot it using one or two 12 gram CO2 cans, or 2. bulk fill with HPA using the air pump to 1500 psi.
Jon in Keaau/HPP
On the subject of PCP's, a few things. First, Crosman is very soon going to have a new one called the Maximus, and it will be a lower pressure one. This means, you can get the special PCP air pump, and easily pump it up. The Maximus will be similiar to the Discovery, but with a synthetic stock. You would have to buy the pump too, as a regular tire pump will not go high enough. The Maximus should be under $200 once it hits the market, from Amazon.
Here is another option: http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=56
Here is a good review of an owner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXcMs9lJzI
Flying Dragon is very highly thought of at the Gateway To Airguns forum, and a gent named Mike Mellick os the owner.
The lower pressure PCP air rifles, the Ctosman Discovery, the new Maximus, and the Flying Dragon, are all lower pressure airguns. All are easily pumped up via the hand pump. These guns are getting like 20 shots before refilling. That is not shooting it till it's empty, but shooting it till the velocity lowers to the point that the pellets are dropping too far.
Flying Dragon has the same basic air rifle that is powered by two 12 gram CO2 canisters for $120. Here it is:
http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=55
If a CO2 gun would be something you might be interested in, there is the (now under the Beeman name) QB78 and QB78 deluxe:
http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-qb78-d...rifle.html
http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-qb78-air-rifle.html
These also, run on two CO2 cans, but, on any airgun that uses two, if you only want to shoot, say 40-45 shots, put in one full CO2 can, and one empty one, and they will work fine.
There is also the Umarex Fusion CO2 shooter. I have a Crosmam 1077 12 shot repeater, but the accuracy isn't the best, mostly due to a terrible trigger. And, that trigger will always be a rough one, as the trigger pull also advances the 12 round clip, cocks the gun, and fires it. It runs on one CO2 can, and
, I think these are going for about $70 on Amazon. The repeating aspect is nice. I can shoot this one better than my springers though, but just not as well as my best shooters.
Walmart has the best price by far on CO2 powerlets in the 12 gram size. Sports Authority is too high, as is everyone else here.
Note that, you can buy the Flying Dragon CO2 air rifle, and then get the "filler cap", that goes on the end of the air chamber, and then you have a PCP airgun. Here is that filler cap:
http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=62
You would, if you use that filler cap and go PCP, still need the special air pump. Set up like this, you would get fewer shots per fill, as when Mike converts this gun to PCP, he extends the pressure chamber, which you wouldn't have with the CO2 gun and filler cap. I don't know how many shots per fill with the gun set up like this. But, you would have two options. 1. Shoot it using one or two 12 gram CO2 cans, or 2. bulk fill with HPA using the air pump to 1500 psi.
Jon in Keaau/HPP
Jon in Keaau/HPP