01-27-2017, 05:44 AM
[quote]Originally posted by mermaid53
Originally posted by Johnd
[i]....with all due respect, NO, WE DON'T NEED THE FRIGIN BYLAWS, NOR A BOARD THAT CANNOT HANDLE THE ONE TASK THEY HAVE TO MANAGE.
What are you on?
Let me say this, some of us have made important investments in this clownish community, we were duped by everyone from the real estate brokers ,the Association and a County that is not worth shait. Some have been waiting forever to make a small profit and get out, because this is a very badly managed place with no end on sight. I can assure you that some folks are not taking kindly having the fees being raised when the roads are in the miserable shape. The bad news is that it will get more expensive with no added value in return.
This
"Some just want to rant and do nothing, others want to rant and keep coughing up more $$$$ and pouring it into the black hole. What have you done? I haven't seen you at board mtgs. Do you have arrows in your back? Do you have THE solution to all of this? Let's hear it."
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I better tell you what I don't do, eg: attend meetings with deluded rookies pretending they can manage a several million dollar association. I have better things to do than to entertain useless meetings, and I would kindly suggest you take advantage of the ready availability of kava in our islands.
I have been in HPP probably longer than you have, and I quit those boring and thoroughly useless meetings long ago. It became plenty evident that all those bylaws and unending rotations of Board volunteers were totally incapable to manage a subdivision such as this, but as long we had LOW fees, some road maintanence and a half way decent manager to talk with, we let it go. I have lived long enough in this island to know that one cannot squeeze blood out of turnip!
Having said that, the fees are no longer low, the roads have had 0 maintenence in years and the manager is the worst we had in a long time.
MR.Morris, late report on the mailing I received with the bill states that 24 dollars a month is a bargain(computed on 285 annual fees but not the current 310!). Well I have news for Mr.Morrison, my HOA fee in Arizona is as much per month, except that the fees maintain several state of the art pools, landscape,lights, security,3 parks,two community centers and the cost of a proffessional MANAGEMENT COMPANY. And yes we don't have a road bond like our HPP, which was a total fluke to start with anyway, because the money was siphoned to pave ths road of early Board members who have sold and gone long ago, leaving the rest of us stuck now with a badly structured loan. Moreover, they did not have a clue how to use the money properly and now all those promises to have ALL roads paved was nothing but a con job!
I don't want to hear about your committees, or bylaws rewrites or your personal rantings about a particular Board member, because that is a circular argument that most grown ups ain't buying any longer. Just like I don't care to listen to Randy saying the Board is going to re negotiate the bond! What makes him think we are going to let him do that when they cannot even fulfill their basic responsibilities!
These fools are putting our investments on the line. They have proven to us for the last 7 years that they don't have a bloody clue and lack the skills necessary to manage. On top, now they have the gall to tell us that we have to keep paying up more and more to hide their mismanagement?
If we read the post box proposal it clearly indicates that they expect 150usd from everyone who owns in HPP, and they only need the signatures from just 600 home owners! First of all, the special assessment clause DOES NOT pertain to mailboxes, this is an overreach from this Board of lunatics who think they can do whatever their feeble minds tells them to. This is not any longer a road association, but a full controlling HOA Board: albezias, neighborhood watch, post boxes, etc, etc...everything but maintaining the roads.
I stated my personal SOLUTION many pages ago: the subdivision needs to go into receivership with a Court appointed management company.
Personally, I am not going to keep going out of pocket to pay interest on a bond that did not pave but a few measly roads, let alone to a Board that is UNABLE to mantain our roads. Therefore the options as how to deal with this permanently has been narrowed down considerably.
If we are going to end up paying more, I personally would prefer to have a Court appointed manager and have a transparent retructure that will serve the intended purpose instead of feeding an association managed by a revolving door of unqualified Board volunteers. Do any if you trust your investments to a rooky?,surely not!. Why do we expect a bunch of no matter how well intentioned volunteers manage over two million of
Dollars of revenue? Who is accountable when they fail, leave or don't have a clue? It's our money and properties these people are playing with!
What will it take? Lets start by demanding that the Board disband the office, fire the manager and his crew, put a stop to all that waste of money with the chip seal and retain a proven third party management company to take over the business and retain an independent law firm to renegotiate with the bond holder.
If the Board does not, then a class action suit against the association and its Board members is in order.
jdo
Originally posted by Johnd
[i]....with all due respect, NO, WE DON'T NEED THE FRIGIN BYLAWS, NOR A BOARD THAT CANNOT HANDLE THE ONE TASK THEY HAVE TO MANAGE.
What are you on?
Let me say this, some of us have made important investments in this clownish community, we were duped by everyone from the real estate brokers ,the Association and a County that is not worth shait. Some have been waiting forever to make a small profit and get out, because this is a very badly managed place with no end on sight. I can assure you that some folks are not taking kindly having the fees being raised when the roads are in the miserable shape. The bad news is that it will get more expensive with no added value in return.
This
"Some just want to rant and do nothing, others want to rant and keep coughing up more $$$$ and pouring it into the black hole. What have you done? I haven't seen you at board mtgs. Do you have arrows in your back? Do you have THE solution to all of this? Let's hear it."
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I better tell you what I don't do, eg: attend meetings with deluded rookies pretending they can manage a several million dollar association. I have better things to do than to entertain useless meetings, and I would kindly suggest you take advantage of the ready availability of kava in our islands.
I have been in HPP probably longer than you have, and I quit those boring and thoroughly useless meetings long ago. It became plenty evident that all those bylaws and unending rotations of Board volunteers were totally incapable to manage a subdivision such as this, but as long we had LOW fees, some road maintanence and a half way decent manager to talk with, we let it go. I have lived long enough in this island to know that one cannot squeeze blood out of turnip!
Having said that, the fees are no longer low, the roads have had 0 maintenence in years and the manager is the worst we had in a long time.
MR.Morris, late report on the mailing I received with the bill states that 24 dollars a month is a bargain(computed on 285 annual fees but not the current 310!). Well I have news for Mr.Morrison, my HOA fee in Arizona is as much per month, except that the fees maintain several state of the art pools, landscape,lights, security,3 parks,two community centers and the cost of a proffessional MANAGEMENT COMPANY. And yes we don't have a road bond like our HPP, which was a total fluke to start with anyway, because the money was siphoned to pave ths road of early Board members who have sold and gone long ago, leaving the rest of us stuck now with a badly structured loan. Moreover, they did not have a clue how to use the money properly and now all those promises to have ALL roads paved was nothing but a con job!
I don't want to hear about your committees, or bylaws rewrites or your personal rantings about a particular Board member, because that is a circular argument that most grown ups ain't buying any longer. Just like I don't care to listen to Randy saying the Board is going to re negotiate the bond! What makes him think we are going to let him do that when they cannot even fulfill their basic responsibilities!
These fools are putting our investments on the line. They have proven to us for the last 7 years that they don't have a bloody clue and lack the skills necessary to manage. On top, now they have the gall to tell us that we have to keep paying up more and more to hide their mismanagement?
If we read the post box proposal it clearly indicates that they expect 150usd from everyone who owns in HPP, and they only need the signatures from just 600 home owners! First of all, the special assessment clause DOES NOT pertain to mailboxes, this is an overreach from this Board of lunatics who think they can do whatever their feeble minds tells them to. This is not any longer a road association, but a full controlling HOA Board: albezias, neighborhood watch, post boxes, etc, etc...everything but maintaining the roads.
I stated my personal SOLUTION many pages ago: the subdivision needs to go into receivership with a Court appointed management company.
Personally, I am not going to keep going out of pocket to pay interest on a bond that did not pave but a few measly roads, let alone to a Board that is UNABLE to mantain our roads. Therefore the options as how to deal with this permanently has been narrowed down considerably.
If we are going to end up paying more, I personally would prefer to have a Court appointed manager and have a transparent retructure that will serve the intended purpose instead of feeding an association managed by a revolving door of unqualified Board volunteers. Do any if you trust your investments to a rooky?,surely not!. Why do we expect a bunch of no matter how well intentioned volunteers manage over two million of
Dollars of revenue? Who is accountable when they fail, leave or don't have a clue? It's our money and properties these people are playing with!
What will it take? Lets start by demanding that the Board disband the office, fire the manager and his crew, put a stop to all that waste of money with the chip seal and retain a proven third party management company to take over the business and retain an independent law firm to renegotiate with the bond holder.
If the Board does not, then a class action suit against the association and its Board members is in order.
jdo
jdo