06-14-2017, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by MarkD
Reply to Eric1600 I write carefully...
Huh? One misquote and confused context.
My [MarkD] comment: And they and their supporters should not be lobbying for the right to enter illegally. Your reply [eric1600]: No one is making that argument.
I didn't realize I had to specify that: No one here on PunaWeb where you are discussing this issue is making that argument.
There are factors other than a supposed fear or dislike of newcomers:
1. [Overpopulation]
2. [Illegals taking jobs]
Both of these are assumptions falsified by data. I'm paraphrasing both of your arguments here but immigrants make up a very small portion of the US and Hawaii population growth.
Foreign-born Americans and their descendants have been the main driver of U.S. population growth, as well as of national racial and ethnic change, since passage of the 1965 law that rewrote national immigration policy. They also will be the central force in U.S. population growth and change over the next 50 years. [/i]
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/ch...on-change/
Secondly, jobs. Studies have shown that immigrants (legal or illegal) in general are not having an impact on availability of jobs.
"The number of U.S.-born workers with no college education has declined by almost 5 million since 2007, according to my analysis of Census data. That means fewer U.S. born workers are competing for jobs requiring less education, the kind immigrants generally get. So immigrants are replacing, not displacing U.S. born workers." [Maria E. Enchautegui, PhD, Senior Fellow in the Income and Benefits Policy Center at the Urban Institute]
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-ec...mmigration
Reply to Eric1600 I write carefully...
Huh? One misquote and confused context.
My [MarkD] comment: And they and their supporters should not be lobbying for the right to enter illegally. Your reply [eric1600]: No one is making that argument.
I didn't realize I had to specify that: No one here on PunaWeb where you are discussing this issue is making that argument.
There are factors other than a supposed fear or dislike of newcomers:
1. [Overpopulation]
2. [Illegals taking jobs]
Both of these are assumptions falsified by data. I'm paraphrasing both of your arguments here but immigrants make up a very small portion of the US and Hawaii population growth.
Foreign-born Americans and their descendants have been the main driver of U.S. population growth, as well as of national racial and ethnic change, since passage of the 1965 law that rewrote national immigration policy. They also will be the central force in U.S. population growth and change over the next 50 years. [/i]
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/ch...on-change/
Secondly, jobs. Studies have shown that immigrants (legal or illegal) in general are not having an impact on availability of jobs.
"The number of U.S.-born workers with no college education has declined by almost 5 million since 2007, according to my analysis of Census data. That means fewer U.S. born workers are competing for jobs requiring less education, the kind immigrants generally get. So immigrants are replacing, not displacing U.S. born workers." [Maria E. Enchautegui, PhD, Senior Fellow in the Income and Benefits Policy Center at the Urban Institute]
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-ec...mmigration