12-12-2017, 04:26 PM
Sheese, HOTPE! There is room for debate on the CCW aspect as that's still being litigated in several places. You are totally wrong on the other aspects of the 2nd and what the founders intended. The SCOTUS has decided it. Decided it for the whole U.S. including Hawaii and Puna. You can dream and wish anything you want but it's moot.
Your analogy of the tire iron is incorrect. While some "weapons" are illegal just by their design and as described by statute, others are illegal by use. You wouldn't be the first person to be arrested for CCW for carrying a tire iron, or aggravated assault, or armed robbery, armed home invasion, etc., or whatever those offences are called in Hawaii. A screwdriver is a screwdriver in your garage. Out on someone else's property at night it's a burglary tool.
As for OC spray. I'm guessing I've used it on other people and dogs more than anyone on this forum. I've probably been exposed to it more than anyone else too. It doesn't work very well on dogs and inconsistently at the level it does work at. Assuming wind and weather is appropriate it works amazingly well on people sometimes and very poorly at others. For police work it's a great tool/toy when you can back it up with something else when it fails. For use on walks against a determined pit bull, etc., it's a very unreliable choice. It bothers them a little. A good spear might work if that was legal. I don't know what the answer is for dog plagued streets in areas of HPP, etc. other than to abandon them to the dogs. The police can't do much if they don't know who the owner is. It's an animal control issue if those resources worthwhile. My experience with animal control is that they will make a pass or two and if they don't see them or can't catch them they move on to the next call. I've known a few troublesome neighborhood dogs to get mysteriously assassinated during midnight shift when the problem went unresolved. I'm not advocating anyone do that.
While out walking I almost shot a couple of dogs in my neighborhood. It was strange that when I was at wits end and finally decided to shoot them and I pulled roscoe out and was not more than a second from popping them they seemed to understand and withdrew. Whew! I got the word to the owners that their dogs almost died. I noticed the fence was fixed the next time I went by. A dog will die before I get attacked. I can deal with the consequences better without a maimed body. It's sad areas like HPP are plagued with loose dogs the way they are with no resolution in sight.
Years ago (30+) in Mo. I knew an animal control officer that carried a gun. He shot dogs regularly. If they were aggressive he shot them. If he couldn't catch the strays he shot them. That would never fly today but he was very efficient. I can just imagine the outcry if they did that in Puna. But no more loose dogs...
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Your analogy of the tire iron is incorrect. While some "weapons" are illegal just by their design and as described by statute, others are illegal by use. You wouldn't be the first person to be arrested for CCW for carrying a tire iron, or aggravated assault, or armed robbery, armed home invasion, etc., or whatever those offences are called in Hawaii. A screwdriver is a screwdriver in your garage. Out on someone else's property at night it's a burglary tool.
As for OC spray. I'm guessing I've used it on other people and dogs more than anyone on this forum. I've probably been exposed to it more than anyone else too. It doesn't work very well on dogs and inconsistently at the level it does work at. Assuming wind and weather is appropriate it works amazingly well on people sometimes and very poorly at others. For police work it's a great tool/toy when you can back it up with something else when it fails. For use on walks against a determined pit bull, etc., it's a very unreliable choice. It bothers them a little. A good spear might work if that was legal. I don't know what the answer is for dog plagued streets in areas of HPP, etc. other than to abandon them to the dogs. The police can't do much if they don't know who the owner is. It's an animal control issue if those resources worthwhile. My experience with animal control is that they will make a pass or two and if they don't see them or can't catch them they move on to the next call. I've known a few troublesome neighborhood dogs to get mysteriously assassinated during midnight shift when the problem went unresolved. I'm not advocating anyone do that.
While out walking I almost shot a couple of dogs in my neighborhood. It was strange that when I was at wits end and finally decided to shoot them and I pulled roscoe out and was not more than a second from popping them they seemed to understand and withdrew. Whew! I got the word to the owners that their dogs almost died. I noticed the fence was fixed the next time I went by. A dog will die before I get attacked. I can deal with the consequences better without a maimed body. It's sad areas like HPP are plagued with loose dogs the way they are with no resolution in sight.
Years ago (30+) in Mo. I knew an animal control officer that carried a gun. He shot dogs regularly. If they were aggressive he shot them. If he couldn't catch the strays he shot them. That would never fly today but he was very efficient. I can just imagine the outcry if they did that in Puna. But no more loose dogs...
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
S. FL
Big Islander to be.