01-12-2019, 12:14 PM
Some of you guys are starting to sound like the thought police. Open-d has stated that he has doubts about global climate change, the extent of it and its consequences. I suspect that none of you who are berating him have conducted any climate modeling yourselves, and so have elected to believe the dire consequences allegedly being forecast by these models; Open-d has elected not to, as is his right. I have interacted with some who work in this field, and some of those have pointed out that for many of these models, very small changes in the assumptions or in the coupling of one process with another can yield wildly different outcomes. The gospel of the idiot left only focuses on the most dire forecasts and ignores those that are less so. In one model, the forecast for the future climate in Hawaii was that there would be a 40% decrease in rainfall; same model, small change in coupling, yielded a 40% increase in rainfall. Open-d's skepticism seems to have some basis in reality...
Of course, the media, and media whores, only focus on the results that show an existential threat to humanity... do they believe that? If they really believe that continued combustion of fossil carbon fuels presents an existential threat to humanity, then why aren't we building nuclear power plants to replace the coal and oil plants - maybe we'll have a few more cancers if there's a leak, but they're not a threat to the continued survival of humans on the planet. More locally, if burning fossil fuels is so damaging to the environment, why do we not have an interisland cable carrying geothermal power to the other islands - yeah, it might inconvenience some folks on the rift zone, where, as has recently been demonstrated, they shouldn't be living in the first place - but if global climate change is such a threat to our survival, what's a little inconvenience? If it's such a threat, why are we having so much strife over the construction of a biomass power plant - it's not perfect, but a damned sight closer to carbon neutral than oil fired power plants that generate the majority of the power on the island... So it seems that even the ones squawking the loudest about protecting the environment aren't really all that concerned...
Open-d makes a valid point - the eco-fascists, who can't get elected to office, still want to make all the rules governing what businesses are acceptable, how we grow our food, and how our tax dollars are being spent. What offends them about the bottling plant - I did watch some of the video - is that someone might actually make some money that they aren't getting a cut of... Their objections ranged from the irrelevant (there's plastic waste in the ocean...) to the absurd (oh, the well is going to contaminate the aquifer: there's 4500 wells that have been drilled into various aquifers in Hawaii - is this one somehow different from all those???) or the withdrawal of water from the aquifer will deprive the ocean of nutrients - at the depth that water discharges, there are more nutrients in the ocean water than there are in water being discharged...). Nothing more than eco- ethno-extortion....(it's a public trust resource, $100,000 isn't just compensation for the damage that would be done...Damage? what damage?? the water is going to be released into the ocean with no f'ing benefit to anyone or anything...). If one went to the trouble of invalidating all the nonsensical objections to the use of the water, they would quickly cook up even more...
Of course, the media, and media whores, only focus on the results that show an existential threat to humanity... do they believe that? If they really believe that continued combustion of fossil carbon fuels presents an existential threat to humanity, then why aren't we building nuclear power plants to replace the coal and oil plants - maybe we'll have a few more cancers if there's a leak, but they're not a threat to the continued survival of humans on the planet. More locally, if burning fossil fuels is so damaging to the environment, why do we not have an interisland cable carrying geothermal power to the other islands - yeah, it might inconvenience some folks on the rift zone, where, as has recently been demonstrated, they shouldn't be living in the first place - but if global climate change is such a threat to our survival, what's a little inconvenience? If it's such a threat, why are we having so much strife over the construction of a biomass power plant - it's not perfect, but a damned sight closer to carbon neutral than oil fired power plants that generate the majority of the power on the island... So it seems that even the ones squawking the loudest about protecting the environment aren't really all that concerned...
Open-d makes a valid point - the eco-fascists, who can't get elected to office, still want to make all the rules governing what businesses are acceptable, how we grow our food, and how our tax dollars are being spent. What offends them about the bottling plant - I did watch some of the video - is that someone might actually make some money that they aren't getting a cut of... Their objections ranged from the irrelevant (there's plastic waste in the ocean...) to the absurd (oh, the well is going to contaminate the aquifer: there's 4500 wells that have been drilled into various aquifers in Hawaii - is this one somehow different from all those???) or the withdrawal of water from the aquifer will deprive the ocean of nutrients - at the depth that water discharges, there are more nutrients in the ocean water than there are in water being discharged...). Nothing more than eco- ethno-extortion....(it's a public trust resource, $100,000 isn't just compensation for the damage that would be done...Damage? what damage?? the water is going to be released into the ocean with no f'ing benefit to anyone or anything...). If one went to the trouble of invalidating all the nonsensical objections to the use of the water, they would quickly cook up even more...