05-06-2019, 04:31 PM
What happened to the dead end road on 4th off of Macuu? Looks like an attempt at oil and chip with lots of oil and very little (if any) chip? Does this mean they're doing all the cinder roads like that?
Aloha macuu222...was 4th DE Makuu a red cinder road prior to the installation of Aggrebind? Aggrebind is another type of sealant, like chip seal is a sealant. The GM brought this to the former board who voted to purchase 2 miles of it. The board hasn't voted on whether to use this product on additional roads. The Aggrebind came from the mainland and I've heard there is no distributor in the islands. 1 1/2 miles have been installed so far on Makuu DE roads.
Aggrebind's selling point was that it was easier to install than chip seal, and asphalt supposedly can be laid on top of Aggrebind. Whereas the chip seal would have to be ripped out, and the road foundation rebuilt before laying asphalt.
Road experts told me the chip seal would be considered toxic waste after it's ripped out and would have to be deposited in a site specific for toxic waste. One board member disagrees and says the chip seal can be recycled like asphalt (aka AC Reject). AC reject has been installed on some of our dirt roads since Jul/Aug 2017.
Some lot owners are very unhappy with the Aggrebind product. You can see some areas are laid thin and some say a lot of it washed away with the first big rain. Others say you can't judge it entirely by the product itself, as the foundation is a big determining factor in the end result. It is thought that this was a factor in the failing of the chip seal. If the foundation isn't up to par, then anything you put on top may not perform as expected. This is what professional road people have said and it makes perfect sense to me. The other matter pointed out by a road expert ref the chip seal was that the center seam between the two lanes should've had proper overlapping (which takes skill) to seal the entire road. That this is why most of the first potholes started forming down the center.
I've observed over the years that every road in HPP has different topography so what works on one road may not do as well on another. Asphalt IMO, works for all roads and seems to be the most cost effective way to go for road improvement.
Some of you may recall a debate on the HPP Mailbox thread a couple years ago.... the same debate is going on regarding where the $$$ would come from. Some say road fee money can't be used for mailboxes...see Article XI Sec 3 Compensation for use of Non-Road Maintenance Assets. "A portion of road maintenance funds shall be exclusively used to compensate the Association General Fund for the use of the Association's non-road maintenance assets for road maintenance purposes."
HPP's annual financial auditor said it can be used for mailboxes but 3 board members disagreed adamantly that mailboxes isn't considered "road maintenance purposes." Here we are again w/the same debate. Some say non road maintenance assets for road maintenance purposes mean maintenance of the Activity Ctr and library where meetings are held by board members and lot owners to discuss road business, and the office and warehouse where employees carry out road maintenance biz, road maintenance work and where road equipment is stored. A forensic analysis could fall under this category as it would be an assessment of our road fee money.
When the membership mailbox committee was formed, they knew that monies might have to be raised by grants, fund raisers etc and couldn't come from road fee monies. So a thought during the Mike Smith plan was if members voted for it, there could be another assessment for mailboxes...i.e. an extra $25/yr designated for mailbox purposes only. So again there is a divide on where the mailbox money would come from.
Parts of the 20 acre sites would have to be cleared before an asphalt pad is laid and installation of mailboxes and perhaps solar lighting, which could be expensive VS adding asphalt to existing cluster box sites and creating a few more sites may not be as costly.
This post is not representative of the HPP board.
Aloha macuu222...was 4th DE Makuu a red cinder road prior to the installation of Aggrebind? Aggrebind is another type of sealant, like chip seal is a sealant. The GM brought this to the former board who voted to purchase 2 miles of it. The board hasn't voted on whether to use this product on additional roads. The Aggrebind came from the mainland and I've heard there is no distributor in the islands. 1 1/2 miles have been installed so far on Makuu DE roads.
Aggrebind's selling point was that it was easier to install than chip seal, and asphalt supposedly can be laid on top of Aggrebind. Whereas the chip seal would have to be ripped out, and the road foundation rebuilt before laying asphalt.
Road experts told me the chip seal would be considered toxic waste after it's ripped out and would have to be deposited in a site specific for toxic waste. One board member disagrees and says the chip seal can be recycled like asphalt (aka AC Reject). AC reject has been installed on some of our dirt roads since Jul/Aug 2017.
Some lot owners are very unhappy with the Aggrebind product. You can see some areas are laid thin and some say a lot of it washed away with the first big rain. Others say you can't judge it entirely by the product itself, as the foundation is a big determining factor in the end result. It is thought that this was a factor in the failing of the chip seal. If the foundation isn't up to par, then anything you put on top may not perform as expected. This is what professional road people have said and it makes perfect sense to me. The other matter pointed out by a road expert ref the chip seal was that the center seam between the two lanes should've had proper overlapping (which takes skill) to seal the entire road. That this is why most of the first potholes started forming down the center.
I've observed over the years that every road in HPP has different topography so what works on one road may not do as well on another. Asphalt IMO, works for all roads and seems to be the most cost effective way to go for road improvement.
Some of you may recall a debate on the HPP Mailbox thread a couple years ago.... the same debate is going on regarding where the $$$ would come from. Some say road fee money can't be used for mailboxes...see Article XI Sec 3 Compensation for use of Non-Road Maintenance Assets. "A portion of road maintenance funds shall be exclusively used to compensate the Association General Fund for the use of the Association's non-road maintenance assets for road maintenance purposes."
HPP's annual financial auditor said it can be used for mailboxes but 3 board members disagreed adamantly that mailboxes isn't considered "road maintenance purposes." Here we are again w/the same debate. Some say non road maintenance assets for road maintenance purposes mean maintenance of the Activity Ctr and library where meetings are held by board members and lot owners to discuss road business, and the office and warehouse where employees carry out road maintenance biz, road maintenance work and where road equipment is stored. A forensic analysis could fall under this category as it would be an assessment of our road fee money.
When the membership mailbox committee was formed, they knew that monies might have to be raised by grants, fund raisers etc and couldn't come from road fee monies. So a thought during the Mike Smith plan was if members voted for it, there could be another assessment for mailboxes...i.e. an extra $25/yr designated for mailbox purposes only. So again there is a divide on where the mailbox money would come from.
Parts of the 20 acre sites would have to be cleared before an asphalt pad is laid and installation of mailboxes and perhaps solar lighting, which could be expensive VS adding asphalt to existing cluster box sites and creating a few more sites may not be as costly.
This post is not representative of the HPP board.