05-14-2019, 06:49 AM
Waipio has not had a land loss since the tsunamis
I imagine you have no idea about all the loss in the last few years in Waipio from flooding that has not been compensated for. Loss of homes, loss of farm land, loss of crops, no disaster relief, no county help, and barely any state help, and yet you speak as if you know better. Do you ever listen to yourself?
I have had my farm completely underwater from flooding. Have lost several loi, and all my huli washed out to sea, repeatedly.
But my farm land is in a flood plain. I know it is a flood plain, and do not expect others to compensate me, repair replace or otherwise come to save the day. Why should it be different for those that live in any kind of flood plain? But it is. Everyone's all bust up for the folks that lost their homes to the lava. But from my perspective they brought that on themselves. They bought there and should be able to accept the consequences. Just like I did when I bought farm land in Waipio and it was flooded.
As to access to the vent in Leilani. I think MR's observation that a road, a public county road, runs right through the place should should put paid to this discussion. Put in a path, add a few signs, and embrace the change. Parking? I am sure, positive, some enterprising land owner along the way would be happy as pie to put in a parking lot and a donation box. If this was anywhere else it would have been done already.
It's like county and their screwed up perspective. When lava was going into the ocean and folks were flocking to the end of the road in Kalapana a whole ecosystem of vendors showed up and things were good for a while. The tourists came, the folks that wanted to pedal stuff to them came, a few bucks exchanged hands, and a lot of folks were smiling. WTF was wrong with that? But no.. can't do that.. can't "trespass" in Leilani..
Oh, and btw.. folks that were stumbling around out there on those lava fields occasionally hurt themselves.. On private land, on state land, federal lands, and still with all those deep pockets involved I have yet to hear of any lawsuits... Sheesh, people died out there, without any lawsuits! But I am sure TomK is going to tell us all how many there really are hidden away somewhere... deep in his imagination.
I imagine you have no idea about all the loss in the last few years in Waipio from flooding that has not been compensated for. Loss of homes, loss of farm land, loss of crops, no disaster relief, no county help, and barely any state help, and yet you speak as if you know better. Do you ever listen to yourself?
I have had my farm completely underwater from flooding. Have lost several loi, and all my huli washed out to sea, repeatedly.
But my farm land is in a flood plain. I know it is a flood plain, and do not expect others to compensate me, repair replace or otherwise come to save the day. Why should it be different for those that live in any kind of flood plain? But it is. Everyone's all bust up for the folks that lost their homes to the lava. But from my perspective they brought that on themselves. They bought there and should be able to accept the consequences. Just like I did when I bought farm land in Waipio and it was flooded.
As to access to the vent in Leilani. I think MR's observation that a road, a public county road, runs right through the place should should put paid to this discussion. Put in a path, add a few signs, and embrace the change. Parking? I am sure, positive, some enterprising land owner along the way would be happy as pie to put in a parking lot and a donation box. If this was anywhere else it would have been done already.
It's like county and their screwed up perspective. When lava was going into the ocean and folks were flocking to the end of the road in Kalapana a whole ecosystem of vendors showed up and things were good for a while. The tourists came, the folks that wanted to pedal stuff to them came, a few bucks exchanged hands, and a lot of folks were smiling. WTF was wrong with that? But no.. can't do that.. can't "trespass" in Leilani..
Oh, and btw.. folks that were stumbling around out there on those lava fields occasionally hurt themselves.. On private land, on state land, federal lands, and still with all those deep pockets involved I have yet to hear of any lawsuits... Sheesh, people died out there, without any lawsuits! But I am sure TomK is going to tell us all how many there really are hidden away somewhere... deep in his imagination.