12-14-2019, 04:35 AM
Kalakoa - I was forced to pay for it... Mr Edge - Does it cost me money in taxes? Then it's my business...
I think you both are misguided in your assumptions. When one considers...
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceded_lands
In 1959, the U.S. Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act. Effective upon Hawaii's admission into the Union, the U.S. transferred the majority of Government and Crown lands to the State of Hawaii, including the HHCA lands, which assumed the role of trustee as a condition of statehood. Under pressure from the federal government, the new State of Hawaii leased a total of 30,176.185 acres back to the U.S. for sixty-five years for a dollar for each lease. Section 5(f) of the Admission Act establishes the state's responsibilities in relation to those lands as follows: "the proceeds from the sale or other disposition of any such lands and the income therefrom, shall be held by said State as a public trust for the support of public schools and other educational institutions, for the betterment of the conditions of native Hawaiians, as defined in the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920, as amended, for the development of farm and home ownership on as widespread a basis as possible for the making of public improvements, and for the provision of lands for public use."
Almost twenty years later, delegates to the 1978 State of Hawaii Constitutional Convention acknowledged that little attention had been given to the trust language in Section 5(f) especially as it related to Native Hawaiians, and added new sections to the State Constitution to implement the trust provisions. They created the Office of Hawaiian Affairs (OHA), and directed that OHA was to receive the income and proceeds derived from a pro rata portion of the trust revenue. In addition, Article XII, Section 6, of the Constitution "requires the OHA Trustees to manage and administer income and proceeds from a variety of sources, including a pro rata portion of the public land trust"
I don't think this has anything to do with your taxes (property, excise, licensing, fees...). The tax, if that is what you want to call it, was determined long ago and the money has never belonged to state. And, it certain has nothing to do with your sacred taxes. The shame, imo, is that state has not been clear, and not paid anywhere near the amount due.
From: https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/oha-wa...the-state/
"The Office of Hawaiian Affairs says the annual cap of $15.1 million is too low and that state agencies should do a better job reporting their revenues..."
And, on top of all that, they only get $15mil? A drop in the bucket, barely a drop. No, from my perspective there's no place for folks who are not directly a part of that dance to bitch about anything but the way the Hawaiian people have been disrespected by state.
But don't get me wrong, I know there are many effected by, and feel strongly about, the way OHA manages its affairs. Many who wish it to be otherwise, and are working to make that so. Who, as many do, feel that OHA has not lived up to their mission. But, I believe, even though they are working through their differences, and wish strongly for change, they equally would not take kindly to others meddling in their affairs.
And, again, from my perspective, the real shame is that folks that like to bitch, as you two so obviously do, don't focus their concerns on the state, and demand that they pay the Hawaiians their due. Maybe if they did we wouldn't have the problems we have today.
I think you both are misguided in your assumptions. When one considers...
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceded_lands
In 1959, the U.S. Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act. Effective upon Hawaii's admission into the Union, the U.S. transferred the majority of Government and Crown lands to the State of Hawaii, including the HHCA lands, which assumed the role of trustee as a condition of statehood. Under pressure from the federal government, the new State of Hawaii leased a total of 30,176.185 acres back to the U.S. for sixty-five years for a dollar for each lease. Section 5(f) of the Admission Act establishes the state's responsibilities in relation to those lands as follows: "the proceeds from the sale or other disposition of any such lands and the income therefrom, shall be held by said State as a public trust for the support of public schools and other educational institutions, for the betterment of the conditions of native Hawaiians, as defined in the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920, as amended, for the development of farm and home ownership on as widespread a basis as possible for the making of public improvements, and for the provision of lands for public use."
Almost twenty years later, delegates to the 1978 State of Hawaii Constitutional Convention acknowledged that little attention had been given to the trust language in Section 5(f) especially as it related to Native Hawaiians, and added new sections to the State Constitution to implement the trust provisions. They created the Office of Hawaiian Affairs (OHA), and directed that OHA was to receive the income and proceeds derived from a pro rata portion of the trust revenue. In addition, Article XII, Section 6, of the Constitution "requires the OHA Trustees to manage and administer income and proceeds from a variety of sources, including a pro rata portion of the public land trust"
I don't think this has anything to do with your taxes (property, excise, licensing, fees...). The tax, if that is what you want to call it, was determined long ago and the money has never belonged to state. And, it certain has nothing to do with your sacred taxes. The shame, imo, is that state has not been clear, and not paid anywhere near the amount due.
From: https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/oha-wa...the-state/
"The Office of Hawaiian Affairs says the annual cap of $15.1 million is too low and that state agencies should do a better job reporting their revenues..."
And, on top of all that, they only get $15mil? A drop in the bucket, barely a drop. No, from my perspective there's no place for folks who are not directly a part of that dance to bitch about anything but the way the Hawaiian people have been disrespected by state.
But don't get me wrong, I know there are many effected by, and feel strongly about, the way OHA manages its affairs. Many who wish it to be otherwise, and are working to make that so. Who, as many do, feel that OHA has not lived up to their mission. But, I believe, even though they are working through their differences, and wish strongly for change, they equally would not take kindly to others meddling in their affairs.
And, again, from my perspective, the real shame is that folks that like to bitch, as you two so obviously do, don't focus their concerns on the state, and demand that they pay the Hawaiians their due. Maybe if they did we wouldn't have the problems we have today.