11-02-2024, 06:51 AM
Chas "It's a shame that they came up with a creative solution to the mailbox problem, yet people who didn't like the solution (I.E. Can't walk to their mailbox anymore) have nothing better to do than try to force them to do what they want them to do. Even though what they want them to do has already been nixed by the post office. All the while wasting lots of money.
What would be great is if the post office said they are no longer going to service the existing boxes, then NO one would have mail delivery. Wonder how that would work out? Guess you have to sue the post office then. Oh no, force the HPP association to sue the post office, wasting even more money."
"Even though what they want them to do has already been nixed by the post office. All the while wasting lots of money." Curious....could you please clarify what it is that has "been nixed by the post office, while wasting lots of money"?
The mailbox project is complicated and there was an easier and less costly solution to the lack of mailboxes for some HPP lot owners. Over 2000 ppl already have HPP mailboxes and don't need new ones. How many ppl in HPP still need and want mailboxes? That's the question. There are also many ppl who don't want/need mailboxes in HPP but are already paying for them with their road fees. There was a simpler solution that could've served everyone who needed a mailbox and the board could've avoided lawsuits. They were aware of other alternatives to solve the issue before they broke ground on deed restricted land at the 4 mailbox sites.
The USPS never stated that they would no longer deliver to the road side boxes. This is false information being disseminated. They did NOT think that their delivery ppl were unsafe delivering to the road side mailboxes. They are the ones that installed the boxes there to begin with and sent those ppl to deliver mail at those locations. They wouldn't have done that if it was unsafe. The deliverers said they never felt unsafe delivering mail on the easement locations. This was/is misinformation reported by the board at board and membership meetings. For over 10 yrs of negotiations with the board and USPS, they have *never* dictated to HPPOA what they can/can't do as long as they didn't deviate from their own USPS regulations.
All HPP owners are still paying off a bond that was supposed to pave all of our roads. Now this board is diverting road fee monies to mailboxes instead of keeping up with road maint on dirt and existing paved roads, and paving a larger # of new roads. It costs approx $420,000 to pave one mile the last I heard. We're close to, or at $1 million into the mailbox project.
A majority of owners will be traveling down the main roads several times a week, double backing to pick up their mail, thereby increasing traffic on our already degrading main roads. Parcel delivery could become a concern with only 1 parcel box to 25 mailboxes at the new sites. Currently installed is only 16 parcel boxes with over 2000 mailboxes at 4th and Kaloli. The current easement cluster boxes are 2 parcel boxes to 16 mailboxes and we occasionally have to go to the post ofc to pick up parcels. With the board's mailbox plan, we may be standing in long lines at the post ofc and more often. Amazon only ships via USPS now and a lot of ppl shop at Amazon. Vandalism could be an issue with so many mailboxes in one spot. The USPS agreed that this could be a problem. But they aren't the ones who'll have to replace them...HPPOA's road fees will have to pay to replace boxes. One way in/out with approx 2000 mailboxes at each site. Fingers crossed at what we'll be dealing with in the future. The judge could rule to remove them so there's that too.
What would be great is if the post office said they are no longer going to service the existing boxes, then NO one would have mail delivery. Wonder how that would work out? Guess you have to sue the post office then. Oh no, force the HPP association to sue the post office, wasting even more money."
"Even though what they want them to do has already been nixed by the post office. All the while wasting lots of money." Curious....could you please clarify what it is that has "been nixed by the post office, while wasting lots of money"?
The mailbox project is complicated and there was an easier and less costly solution to the lack of mailboxes for some HPP lot owners. Over 2000 ppl already have HPP mailboxes and don't need new ones. How many ppl in HPP still need and want mailboxes? That's the question. There are also many ppl who don't want/need mailboxes in HPP but are already paying for them with their road fees. There was a simpler solution that could've served everyone who needed a mailbox and the board could've avoided lawsuits. They were aware of other alternatives to solve the issue before they broke ground on deed restricted land at the 4 mailbox sites.
The USPS never stated that they would no longer deliver to the road side boxes. This is false information being disseminated. They did NOT think that their delivery ppl were unsafe delivering to the road side mailboxes. They are the ones that installed the boxes there to begin with and sent those ppl to deliver mail at those locations. They wouldn't have done that if it was unsafe. The deliverers said they never felt unsafe delivering mail on the easement locations. This was/is misinformation reported by the board at board and membership meetings. For over 10 yrs of negotiations with the board and USPS, they have *never* dictated to HPPOA what they can/can't do as long as they didn't deviate from their own USPS regulations.
All HPP owners are still paying off a bond that was supposed to pave all of our roads. Now this board is diverting road fee monies to mailboxes instead of keeping up with road maint on dirt and existing paved roads, and paving a larger # of new roads. It costs approx $420,000 to pave one mile the last I heard. We're close to, or at $1 million into the mailbox project.
A majority of owners will be traveling down the main roads several times a week, double backing to pick up their mail, thereby increasing traffic on our already degrading main roads. Parcel delivery could become a concern with only 1 parcel box to 25 mailboxes at the new sites. Currently installed is only 16 parcel boxes with over 2000 mailboxes at 4th and Kaloli. The current easement cluster boxes are 2 parcel boxes to 16 mailboxes and we occasionally have to go to the post ofc to pick up parcels. With the board's mailbox plan, we may be standing in long lines at the post ofc and more often. Amazon only ships via USPS now and a lot of ppl shop at Amazon. Vandalism could be an issue with so many mailboxes in one spot. The USPS agreed that this could be a problem. But they aren't the ones who'll have to replace them...HPPOA's road fees will have to pay to replace boxes. One way in/out with approx 2000 mailboxes at each site. Fingers crossed at what we'll be dealing with in the future. The judge could rule to remove them so there's that too.