01-14-2025, 06:52 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-14-2025, 07:12 AM by Punaperson.
Edit Reason: Too many beers, not enough punctuation.
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HJ "This is where having good legal counsel that would get this entire issue cleared in hours.
Granted, that might cost you a few hundred, maybe a thousand bucks.
BUT any lawyer worth his salt, WOULD get any and all liens discharged, and his fees paid as well as a "token" apology nuisance settlement from OLE in HOURS!
Not days, weeks, months or pro se filed lawsuits."
This will be my one and only comment in response.
I know what good legal representation can and cannot do. My first job for 3 years after grad school in Honolulu in the 1970's was for a large and prestigious law firm, with several retired judges among the partners, as well as the cream of the law school crop of associates, interns, paralegals, researchers, etc.
Having said that, after over 40 years on this island, I have found very, very few on-island attorneys that I could recommend to do a competent, timely resolution of matters that would seem to be straight forward. I have a list of those whom I would never use again or ever recommend, even for the simplest of matters.
The reality is that most people who go to work every day with limited time off, have a family to take care of, and then try to have a second income from a business they are getting off the ground, cannot take the hours and hours of time it takes to go 'lawyer shopping'. After the fact, when my friends and I got together over the holidays, they told me the names of attorneys they had tried to contact. Some never returned calls or responded to e-mails A few who had an actual human being answering calls said the initial consultation would be free, but no work would be undertaken without a ( large for them ) retainer, ranging from $1,000 - $2,000. Meetings would only be scheduled for the convenience of the attorney, not the working people who needed their services. Several alluded to not wanting to deal with the mess of the Puna subdivision problems.
And to whom in OLE would this mythical attorney who is "worth his salt" present his fee , or ask for the nuisance settlement ? If my friends tried to obtain proof that the loan rate would have been less without the lien, how much of their time, or the attorney's 'billable hours' would it cost ? OLE could rightly claim that no material damage was done, as after everything, no new vehicle was purchased . My friends would still be out their time while that tangle could drag on endlessly.
Much of this entire thread has spun around the lack of 'good legal representation' for the people in the subdivisions - this is but one short chapter in the on-going saga.
Granted, that might cost you a few hundred, maybe a thousand bucks.
BUT any lawyer worth his salt, WOULD get any and all liens discharged, and his fees paid as well as a "token" apology nuisance settlement from OLE in HOURS!
Not days, weeks, months or pro se filed lawsuits."
This will be my one and only comment in response.
I know what good legal representation can and cannot do. My first job for 3 years after grad school in Honolulu in the 1970's was for a large and prestigious law firm, with several retired judges among the partners, as well as the cream of the law school crop of associates, interns, paralegals, researchers, etc.
Having said that, after over 40 years on this island, I have found very, very few on-island attorneys that I could recommend to do a competent, timely resolution of matters that would seem to be straight forward. I have a list of those whom I would never use again or ever recommend, even for the simplest of matters.
The reality is that most people who go to work every day with limited time off, have a family to take care of, and then try to have a second income from a business they are getting off the ground, cannot take the hours and hours of time it takes to go 'lawyer shopping'. After the fact, when my friends and I got together over the holidays, they told me the names of attorneys they had tried to contact. Some never returned calls or responded to e-mails A few who had an actual human being answering calls said the initial consultation would be free, but no work would be undertaken without a ( large for them ) retainer, ranging from $1,000 - $2,000. Meetings would only be scheduled for the convenience of the attorney, not the working people who needed their services. Several alluded to not wanting to deal with the mess of the Puna subdivision problems.
And to whom in OLE would this mythical attorney who is "worth his salt" present his fee , or ask for the nuisance settlement ? If my friends tried to obtain proof that the loan rate would have been less without the lien, how much of their time, or the attorney's 'billable hours' would it cost ? OLE could rightly claim that no material damage was done, as after everything, no new vehicle was purchased . My friends would still be out their time while that tangle could drag on endlessly.
Much of this entire thread has spun around the lack of 'good legal representation' for the people in the subdivisions - this is but one short chapter in the on-going saga.