Cave relics

[Momi]

Are you sure the Hawaiians shot the nene with guns, or the newcomers? Who brought the guns? By the time Captain Cook arrived, the Hawaiians already learned not to do that through trial and error like any culture. The sandal wood forest got devastated because under the rule of a few chiefs the Hawaiians were forced to leave their occupations of fishing and farming to go to the hills to gather sandalwood. Due to the fact that the people were going through famine, because the main occupations were not as much done during this time, the Hawaiians that were forced to go up into the mountains died from hypothermia so the Hawaiians who survive the ordeal pulled out the sandalwood pulapula on the way down to preserve the lives of their families. That is true but you need to look at the fact that the chiefs were getting a taste of money which was new here at the time. note: before the Tahitians arrived captilalism was not as big as the will and knowledge of survival. The Tahitians brought capitolism and were still learning about it at the time of the sandalwood industry.

Also, Hawaiians did not sell the forest birds, they used the ulu sap to catch them, then plucked one or two feathers and released them. No forest dwelling birds were eaten, these feathers were used in the capes. Only certain people would go into the forest as it was a place where the gods dwelled so the occupation of being a feather gatherer was an art that consisted of mimicking the bird calls and luring them closer, scientific inquiry of what flowers or fruits they liked best. Th reason for this scientific inquiry was to be as gentle to the forest as possible. Hmmmm where are you getting our information from?

Also, the flightless moa was also made extinct in New Zealand as well and I don't blame the maoris for trying to survive and the ability to keep their families alive or for bringing the polynesian rat in their canoes which possibly led to the extinction of the long legged owl (Grallisrix auceps) of Po`ipu, Kaua`i which stood 4 feet tall and also ate birds.

I don't use the past to justify things but maybe we can learn from them. When you place blame on a culture you overlook the reasons why things occured.



John, you would get offended at foreigners I explained why I used it. You seemed to have only read a few of the posts and not all. Good one. Your very thorough. Your comments and your inability to get educated is what worries me about what you are telling foreigners who want to move here. This is why I'm very concerned about you.





Edited by - momi on 03/08/2007 10:27:15